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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

Cardinal said:
Well, it's not insane, per se. A homosexual officer arresting a homophobe for running his mouth may be wrong, but it makes sense.
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Again, you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. It's wrong but it makes sense?

Why is he a homophobe? If he is a Christian, it is part of his beliefs that homosexual activity is a sin. He didn't write the Bible. This does not mean he fears homosexuals, it means his belief system disapproves of homosexual activity.

Homophobia is an irrational fear of gays.

Viewing homosexual behavior as a sin under Christian beliefs =/= homophobia.
 
Goshin said:
So, the gent in question was approached by a woman who engaged him in conversation about religion. In the course of this conversation, he mentioned a number of things that the Bible asserts to be sin, one of which was homosexuality.

He was arrested, in essence, for saying what his religion believes to a woman who willingly engaged him in conversation on the topic of religion. He is being charged and tried for this.

And you're okay with it.

Well, I guess that's it for Freedom of Speech huh?
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It's not the US. They have their own laws. If their law allows for arresting some one for it, our laws supporting free speech do not apply. I do not know the laws there, and whether this was legal. Do you?

If this had happened in the US, it would be an obvious case of inappropriate arrest. However, it's not.
 
texmaster said:
Then you should support all alternative lifestyles yet I bet if I name a few you wouldn't approve of them.
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Why? There is no logical reason that because I support gay rights, I should support all rights for all groups.
 
Goshin said:
Again, you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. It's wrong but it makes sense?
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I mean that because there was a direct correlation between the jerk running his mouth and the officer arresting him, it doesn't technically qualify as insanity. "A" led to "B." The officer's actions may have certainly been disproportionate, but not insane. What would have more qualified is if the officer was heterosexual, was enraged by the preacher's comments, then turned around and shot a cow. That would have been nuts because neither of those events logically led to the next. Another good example is if "Bob" is happily married, and makes efforts to see to it that certain other people are not allowed to be married, even though there is no direct evidence of any harm either to themselves or to himself. That would be nuts.

Why is he a homophobe? If he is a Christian, it is part of his beliefs that homosexual activity is a sin. He didn't write the Bible. This does not mean he fears homosexuals, it means his belief system disapproves of homosexual activity.
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People often quote parts of the bible that conveniently reflect their own views. I've met plenty of religious people who don't see anything at all in the bible about homosexuality being a sin. But if you want to see it then for sure you're gonna find it.

"Homophobia is an irrational fear of gays."
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You say that like there is a rational fear of gays. What if that means that the fear itself is irrational?

Viewing homosexual behavior as a sin under Christian beliefs =/= homophobia.
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Yes...it does. Conveniently dressing something up as an affront to God instead of to one's self is lazy, immature and unconvincing.
 
Cardinal said:
Maybe, maybe not. I guess that would depend on whether all participating parties were of adult age and able to consent. And even then I might disapprove but still take the position that it's not my right to bring about litigation to ban that "lifestyle."
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Lets take your stance on "Adult age" Why do you have it? You can't claim because a law because there are laws against gay marriage right now so that can't be the reason. If its adult age the same applies. The age of adult is again no different since it is a law that dictates it.

So I ask again, why does this particular alternative lifestyle bring such passion for you?
 
Redress said:
Why? There is no logical reason that because I support gay rights, I should support all rights for all groups.
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As long as you are comfortable at being just as hypocritical as the people you claim are against gay marriage for their own reasons there isn't a problem at all. Your line in the sand is merely at another place but it is still a line you draw.

Its those pro gay marriage people that put themselves on a pedestal claiming its a "right" or go for the bigot charge that I question.
 
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texmaster said:
As long as you are comfortable at being just as hypocritical as the people you claim are against gay marriage for their own reasons there isn't a problem at all. Your line in the sand is merely at another place but it is still a line you draw.

Its those pro gay marriage people that put themselves on a pedestal claiming its a "right" or go for the bigot charge that I question.
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There is no hypocrisy in being for one thing, and against another. That is just spin. Maybe you are confused, buy being gay is not the same thing as being a polygamist, or whatever other example you want to bring up. That difference is the key thing. It's why it's not hypocrisy.
 
texmaster said:
As long as you are comfortable at being just as hypocritical as the people you claim are against gay marriage for their own reasons there isn't a problem at all. Your line in the sand is merely at another place but it is still a line you draw.

Its those pro gay marriage people that put themselves on a pedestal claiming its a "right" or go for the bigot charge that I question.
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That's just flat out ridiculous. It is the responsibility of the group in question to address their groups concerns. Did blacks focus on the rights of women or Jews? Did women focus on the rights of Hispanics? GAY rights activists are just that... activists for GAY rights. Polygamous groups have their own activists.
 
texmaster said:
This fanaticism for gay "rights" makes no sense to me. Why do you fight so hard for this particular alternative lifestyle? Why not Polygamists or other alternative lifestyles? What makes this one so special that you want to force everyone else to accept it without any basis in genetics or any other natural cause for it?
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There isn't a fanatacism for gay rights in England, but gays/lesbians are protected from hate speech, just like other minority populations, by their laws. I personally do not agree with the concept of hate speech, hate crimes, etc., but Euros see things very differently than we do in that regard.

Insofar as polygamy, I lived in Utah for 10 years. There are tens of thousands of polygamists in Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Texas, and elsewhere. I have zero problems with legalizing polygamy, as long as polygamists adhere to other laws.
 
texmaster said:
Dale McAlpine was charged with causing “harassment, alarm or distress” after a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO) overheard him reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships.

The 42-year-old Baptist, who has preached Christianity in Wokington, Cumbria for years, said he did not mention homosexuality while delivering a sermon from the top of a stepladder, but admitted telling a passing shopper that he believed it went against the word of God.

Police officers are alleging that he made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others and have charged him with using abusive or insulting language, contrary to the Public Order Act.

Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin - Telegraph


Wow. Welcome to politically correct fascism, can I take your order?
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That cop should be thrown in jail. That's a horrible breaching of the first and I hope the cops get sued because of it. ****ing cops thinking they can do whatever they want because they have a badge.
 
Ikari said:
That cop should be thrown in jail. That's a horrible breaching of the first and I hope the cops get sued because of it. ****ing cops thinking they can do whatever they want because they have a badge.
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They don't have a first. This case happened in England.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
They don't have a first. This case happened in England.
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I see. Wow, I'm glad we have the first amendment. As much as the founders argued that putt ing some of our rights down my imply that they were our only rights, it seems that without it the government has too easy a time violating rights. England needs to get on the ball, as does America. Stop police state tactics before it's too late.
 
The UK doesn't have the same laws as the United States.

While sometimes I think that I would want laws like this, especially in situations where preachers show up at gay pride events, etc....telling people that they are going to hell.....I believe that ultimately Freedom of Speech is more important even if the content of the speech is something that I might not agree with.
 
samsmart said:
I can't believe President Obama would allow such a thing! Then again, what else do you expect from a Muslim?
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ummm....this didn't happen in the USA.....you did know that?:confused:
 
texmaster said:
Dale McAlpine was charged with causing “harassment, alarm or distress” after a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO) overheard him reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships.

The 42-year-old Baptist, who has preached Christianity in Wokington, Cumbria for years, said he did not mention homosexuality while delivering a sermon from the top of a stepladder, but admitted telling a passing shopper that he believed it went against the word of God.

Police officers are alleging that he made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others and have charged him with using abusive or insulting language, contrary to the Public Order Act.

Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin - Telegraph


Wow. Welcome to politically correct fascism, can I take your order?
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Where was this Public Order Act when the Supreme Court ruled that people could speak out against Jews in public, on the street, in Jewish Communities - as long as they didn't' directly insight immediate violence with their hate speech?

Overall - I think harassment would be an arrestable offense in this case. Just because I'm grocery shopping doesn't mean I have to hear someone's bull**** religious rhetoric in my face.

If this Public Order Act was more commonly accepted then the "God Hates Fags" people would have no leg to stand on.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Where was this Public Order Act when the Supreme Court ruled that people could speak out against Jews in public, on the street, in Jewish Communities - as long as they didn't' directly insight immediate violence with their hate speech?
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And as long as they don't incite to violence, there's no problem. They haven't infringed upon anyone's rights; thus you have no proper cause to forbid it.

Aunt Spiker said:
Overall - I think harassment would be an arrestable offense in this case. Just because I'm grocery shopping doesn't mean I have to hear someone's bull**** religious rhetoric in my face.
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That's ****ing BS. I don't want to hear crying kids; but you know what, if I go outside there's a good chance I will. Just because I don't want to hear something, doesn't mean I have the right to shut someone's mouth about it if I happened to wander within earshot of the person. That's just idiotic. People are free to say what they want. There's no right to not be offended, deal with it. We don't need to be thinned skinned little wussies and run around trying to take down rights because we don't like the consequence of rights being recognized. It's called freedom, and it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Aunt Spiker said:
If this Public Order Act was more commonly accepted then the "God Hates Fags" people would have no leg to stand on.
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They're within their rights to do what they do even if it's retarded.
 
texmaster said:
So I ask again, why does this particular alternative lifestyle bring such passion for you?
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Why is it such a passion for you? If you want to speak out against civil liberties for gays so much it must mean that such a thing would bring about something really awful. What would that be?
 
samsmart said:
I can't believe President Obama would allow such a thing! Then again, what else do you expect from a Muslim?
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Right. He allowed it in...England.
 
This is simply appalling. As a Christian I find this to be offensive and completely absurd given the rights to free speech. How dare they arrest this preacher for preaching his belief's in a church. This outright fascist action is frustrating and I hope the UK releases him. My prayers go to this preacher and his congregation and family.
 
England seriously needs some freedom of speech laws. Legally speaking, (according to my country's laws and freedom of speech values) the cop was very much in the wrong. As ridiculous as the preacher's views are (and those of others like him), he should have the right to speak them.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Where was this Public Order Act when the Supreme Court ruled that people could speak out against Jews in public, on the street, in Jewish Communities - as long as they didn't' directly insight immediate violence with their hate speech?

Overall - I think harassment would be an arrestable offense in this case. Just because I'm grocery shopping doesn't mean I have to hear someone's bull**** religious rhetoric in my face.

If this Public Order Act was more commonly accepted then the "God Hates Fags" people would have no leg to stand on.
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Whoa. Okay, I think the preacher is a 'tard, but he was having a conversation in a public place with another individual. Someone else just happened to overhear him. You *really* applaud the state that arrests someone because someone else overheard him say something they didn't like? You really think that having a conversation with a friend should be an arrestable offense if someone else can overhear the conversation? :shock: I would deplore such a rigid, fascist environment. How could anyone feel secure speaking with another person out in public?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Just because I'm grocery shopping doesn't mean I have to hear someone's bull**** religious rhetoric in my face.
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Well, yes, it does, at least in the U.S.
 
disneydude said:
The UK doesn't have the same laws as the United States.

While sometimes I think that I would want laws like this, especially in situations where preachers show up at gay pride events, etc....telling people that they are going to hell.....I believe that ultimately Freedom of Speech is more important even if the content of the speech is something that I might not agree with.
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Yeah, I'd like to ban gays from hedonistically proclaiming their 'pride' too, darn that first amendment! ;)
 
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