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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You have to admit, there are many people who are against it with no logic backing it up.
    Way to many people, on both sides.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Some sins can't be illegal like lying or gluttony. Lying is illegal in some cases, but not in everyday use. Gluttony cannot be enforced at all. Adultery is a civil crime, not criminal. So no, your argument is baseless.

    We are also a secular government with laws not based on the Bible or sin. So even though Christians can rally against sin and petition for such changes. They cannot (outside of legal channels) change or stop a law or right.
    For the record, in some countries, it IS a criminal offense...
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    and in the military.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    For the record, in some countries, it IS a criminal offense...
    We are talking the US civilian laws only. It is also criminal under the UCMJ, but it again does not apply.

    Thanks anyway bud.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Well, when someone asks you a question or for a clarification, then it means maybe you're not making your point in the clearest way.
    That's fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So, I'm sorry to "waist" your time by asking for a clarification.
    It was not a "waist" to ask for clarification. That is why I put the quotes together. So you could see what I meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Oh, and adultery is still illegal in several states, though rarely (if ever) enforced and likely unconstitutional following Lawrence v. Texas.
    Adultery is not prosecuted in the US even if the law is on the books. So this is pretty irrelevant.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and in the military.
    Does not apply to what we are talking about. When you enter the military you are under the UCMJ, not the Constitution.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We are talking the US civilian laws only. It is also criminal under the UCMJ, but it again does not apply.

    Thanks anyway bud.
    The post bringing it up did NOT make this clear, and the situation we are talking about happened OUTSIDE the U.S. Some Americans need to realize that the entire world does NOT revolve around the United States. There is a worse "Middle Kingdom" complex there than there is in China.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The post bringing it up did NOT make this clear, and the situation we are talking about happened OUTSIDE the U.S.
    We were not talking about England. It was fairly clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Some Americans need to realize that the entire world does NOT revolve around the United States.
    And some off worlders need to realize when people talk generally, they are talking about where they live.

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    There is a worse "Middle Kingdom" complex there than there is in China.
    Because talking about something that happened overseas in the context of where you live is so middle kingdom.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We were not talking about England. It was fairly clear.
    Except that the instance in the OP was clearly in the UK


    And some off worlders need to realize when people talk generally, they are talking about where they live.
    And I was talking about where I live. Have a problem with that?


    Because talking about something that happened overseas in the context of where you live is so middle kingdom.
    Another example of taking a statement out of context. Thanks for playing.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There are heterosexual activities that most Christians also regard as sins.

    Of course, no one actually answered the point I made about homophobia and what makes some a homophobe...
    Yes, but neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are activities, they are simply drives inherent to our beings. You and I may well feel an attraction to a beautiful female, and the urge to act on that attraction. I expect a homosexual guy has an equivalent attraction to someone he sees as a beautiful male, and an urge to act on the attraction. Neither urge is inherently wrong or 'sinful'.

    I'm not sure quite what point you made about homophobia, but true homophobia (a fear of homosexuals and homosexuality,) must logically stem from something which puts one's own sexuality and self concepts under threat.

    Someone who is entirely confident in his own heterosexuality may not understand homosexual feelings, but he will not feel in any way threatened by homosexuality, or displays of affection by people of the same gender. Such overt displays may make people feel uncomfortable (they make me feel uncomfortable if they are too obvious,) but that is simply because we are creatures who are used to societal conditioning - that is certainly so in my case.

    I am simply not used to seeing two males act towards each other in a way commonly observed between the sexes. But that does not make their behaviour in any way morally questionable, the problem lies with me - not with them. I have no doubt that as I see more of life, such feelings of discomfort will dissipate.

    So, in my opinion, a true homophobe is someone who is so unsure of his own sexuality, that he feels threatened by the concept of homosexuality. It is a case of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks!"
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