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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Sin has nothing to do with intent, it is not a legal concept. It is something we are all born with. So even basic urges can be sin, such as premarital sex of any kind.

    We as Christians of all types are to try and avoid it, but that is damn near impossible. This is why Jesus, died for us.

    This is a spiritual concept, not a legal one.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Personally I think all marriage benefits should be removed. Marriage is more religious than it is legal. I do think it needs a legal status, but they don't need all the benefits. In Tennessee we voted to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and I agree with that. However, I don't think it's right that they receive benefits for being married while singles and homosexuals have to be disadvantaged. I have no problem with homosexuals visiting each other in hospitals, in fact I think it's completely wrong to only allow the spouse to visit. Close friends and family deserve it as well.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oddly enough, the chuch I attend and the preachers I'm talking about are SBap.
    I'm sure there are still some good ones left, but the gigantic schism between liberals and conservatives in the denomination is disheartening.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Sure, but you've said to homosexuals:

    1 - you shouldn't be able to inherit each others hard-earned social security dollars that I can inherit from my spouse;
    2 - you should spend approximately $2,300 in legal fees to do what I can do with my spouse for free (draw up private inheritance papers, file name-change documents with the courts, etc.)
    3 - you should pay double taxes and NOT be able to declare each other as dependents like I can with my spouse
    4 - you should have to go through legal harassment and difficulty if your spouse were to adopt your biological child OR you shouldn't be able to provide a home for a child (if the state bans non-married people from adopting - unsure if your state does, but some do)
    I would love the opportunity to say the same to half of all heteros who marry.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    In essence, you haven't said you hate homosexuals or don't want them in your community; but you've told them that they can love on another, you're just not going to receive any of the rights or responsibilities that you receive when you partner up with your spouse.
    Right, exactly. I'm not stopping you from doing what you want, I'm just not giving you my support.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    You should forgive people if they feel that you're treating them like second-class citizens when you vote that way. Because it's a little hard to hear someone claim not to be discriminatory and then say: I have no problem with gays, I just think they're lives and relationships shouldn't be respected in the same way mine is.
    I discriminate against all kinds of behaviors all the time, every day. This is no different.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Gays are all right, they're just not as good as me. It may not be homophobia; but you can't alter the fact that that's what you are saying to gay people.
    I'm sorry that's how you choose to decipher my hypothetical vote, but I know my intentions.

    If gays get all emo when they don't get their way, well we're just going to leave the real debate and troll them as all emos per-se should be trolled.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would love the opportunity to say the same to half of all heteros who marry.

    Right, exactly. I'm not stopping you from doing what you want, I'm just not giving you my support.

    I discriminate against all kinds of behaviors all the time, every day. This is no different.

    I'm sorry that's how you choose to decipher my hypothetical vote, but I know my intentions.

    If gays get all emo when they don't get their way, well we're just going to leave the real debate and troll them as all emos per-se should be trolled.
    Don't get all "emo" about being called a homophobe then and logically explain to me how someone should should simply accept second-class status.

    And if you "know" your intentions, then explain them logically, please.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not fixin' to witness, are you?...
    Not unless someone gives me an a-men.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Focusing on sins like greed, gluttony, infidelity, lying, and prejudice would likely alienate the flock and decrease donations. It's always easier to focus on OTHER PEOPLE's "sins." It costs nothing and allows the participants to feel gloriously self-righteous.

    I think the church would do well to remember how Christ spoke to the religious hierarchy of his era..."whitewashed tombs full of rot and all uncleanness."
    Goshin already covered it but my 2 cents anyway.

    In every Christian church I have attended they do rally against all those things. What you don't have is lier's and gluttons in the news begging for anything.

    They are in the open fighting for rights they feel they are denied. So it would make sense for Churches to rally against it like prostitution etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Goshin already covered it but my 2 cents anyway.

    In every Christian church I have attended they do rally against all those things. What you don't have is lier's and gluttons in the news begging for anything.

    They are in the open fighting for rights they feel they are denied. So it would make sense for Churches to rally against it like prostitution etc.
    Sure, but you have the "right" to commit a lot of sins in this nation. So unless their argument is that everything that is a sin according to the Bible should be illegal, then arguing against gays makes no sense either.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Logically explain to me how someone should simply accept second-class status.
    "Second-class status" is a self imposed label. Maybe you should treat yourself with more respect.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Sure, but you have the "right" to commit a lot of sins in this nation. So unless their argument is that everything that is a sin according to the Bible should be illegal, then arguing against gays makes no sense either.
    Some sins can't be illegal like lying or gluttony. Lying is illegal in some cases, but not in everyday use. Gluttony cannot be enforced at all. Adultery is a civil crime, not criminal. So no, your argument is baseless.

    We are also a secular government with laws not based on the Bible or sin. So even though Christians can rally against sin and petition for such changes. They cannot (outside of legal channels) change or stop a law or right.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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