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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Okay, I see what you mean. It doesn't address my original post, which stated that we are all sinners. If that's the case, how do "Christians" justify wearing shirts that say "God hates fags"?
    They don't have to justify anything. It's their 1st Amendment right to do so.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They don't have to justify anything. It's their 1st Amendment right to do so.
    ..while politically that is true; biblicly its not. Using the Lord's name to promote your political agenda is using the Lord's name in vain. "God hates Fags" is a personal political agenda.... as it is sin that is the focus of God's hate.

    Then, this whole mantra of "....not hating the sinner, but hating the sin...." has got old. It has become a meaningless cliche that far too many hide behind. While it may have sounded good at the time, there are many, many Christians that have learned to actually hate the sinner as well. They just hide behind this feel good phrase. This issue. though. gets far, far too much attention in Christian circles. I understand homosexual sex to be sinful; but there are far, far more things that are also sinful that get no attention (as posted previously in this thread). If people were really outraged by sin, their wrath would be far more evenly distributed....

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ..while politically that is true; biblicly its not. Using the Lord's name to promote your political agenda is using the Lord's name in vain. "God hates Fags" is a personal political agenda.... as it is sin that is the focus of God's hate.

    Then, this whole mantra of "....not hating the sinner, but hating the sin...." has got old. It has become a meaningless cliche that far too many hide behind. While it may have sounded good at the time, there are many, many Christians that have learned to actually hate the sinner as well. They just hide behind this feel good phrase. This issue. though. gets far, far too much attention in Christian circles. I understand homosexual sex to be sinful; but there are far, far more things that are also sinful that get no attention (as posted previously in this thread). If people were really outraged by sin, their wrath would be far more evenly distributed....
    None of that takes away from the fact that they are free, under the 1st Amendment, to wear a t-shirt that says any damn thing they want. The 1st Amendment applies to fake Christians just like it does to real Christians.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They don't have to justify anything. It's their 1st Amendment right to do so.
    I didn't say that they had to justify it. I was asking how they would go about doing so. Please read closer next time.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I didn't say that they had to justify it. I was asking how they would go about doing so. Please read closer next time.
    I know what you said and I'm saying they're not required to justify anything.

    Read your last sentence, aloud, five times, then off to bed for you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I know what you said and I'm saying they're not required to justify anything.

    Read your last sentence, aloud, five times, then off to bed for you.
    This is not difficult to grasp. I never said that they were required to. I merely asked how, if they were to try, they would justify it. This is purely hypothetical.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Okay, I see what you mean. It doesn't address my original post, which stated that we are all sinners. If that's the case, how do "Christians" justify wearing shirts that say "God hates fags"?
    You're asking me how some hate group rationalizes their hate speach to themselves.

    I argue that there is no objective, valid justification for such a shirt. I would not defend to the death someone's right to wear such a shirt.

    If someone were wearing such a shirt on my campus I think the Christian response is to wear my own shirt which says:
    1. “Live in me, let me live in you, says the Lord.”
    2. “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
    3. “In the world you will have trouble but take courage for I have conquered the world.”
    4. “Look at the birdas of the air; your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?


    In other words, the best response to hate speach, is more speach.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're asking me how some hate group rationalizes their hate speach to themselves.

    I argue that there is no objective, valid justification for such a shirt. I would not defend to the death someone's right to wear such a shirt.

    If someone were wearing such a shirt on my campus I think the Christian response is to wear my own shirt which says:
    1. “Live in me, let me live in you, says the Lord.”
    2. “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
    3. “In the world you will have trouble but take courage for I have conquered the world.”
    4. “Look at the birdas of the air; your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?


    In other words, the best response to hate speach, is more speach.

    So play tit for tat huh?

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I have the right to say anything I please, no matter how offended someone may become over my remarks. That's what free speech is all about.
    Try yelling fire in crowded movie theater and see how that works for ya. Free speech is still limited. Just saying
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I simply do not understand why a lot of Christians focus on homosexuality being a sin. Their own Holy Book says that everyone is imperfect and everyone I have met has at least committed some sort of sin. So if we are all sinners, why is it the gays that get demonized?
    Have you seen me focus on it? I comment on it because others have, but I don't have a particular hang up about it. If other people want to be homosexual, that is their business. It is still a sin as are many things. It is also one of the big ones. However, you are correct, we all sin. I strongly believe in "hate the sin, love the sinner" but perhaps that is the Catholic in me.
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