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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Evangelical denominations.
    I agree that the "evangelical denominations" have some serious issues then.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I've always felt that salt/light was the best way of witnessing, myself.
    I forget whether it was Augustine or St Francis that said "Preach the gospel at all times... use words if necessary."

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree that the "evangelical denominations" have some serious issues then.
    There's an enormous amount of variation in denominations that are generically called "Evangelical".

    We aren't all street-preachers and hellfire-shouters. Some of us are actually rather quiet, and occasionally think about things other than other-people's-sins.

    There's an enormous amount of variation under "Baptist" and even "Southern Baptist", since, as Catz noted, Baptists are unified only by certain basic essentials and the rest is largely left to the standards of individual congregations, and the conscience of the individual believer.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Personally I've always thought that religions that have to tout/evangelize/sell/convert to their faith are lacking a certain confidence in it. They lack the faith that it is THE faith and hence indulge in proselytising in order to convince themselves as much as anyone else.

    I note that those of the faiths that don't do it (Judaism/Buddhism/Taoism/Quakers) convince more by their quiet devotion than by any amount of street theatre.

    More Christians/religions/believers (whichever you want to term) should feel that way. I think that is part of the problem a lot of people have with faith in general. No one wants to be told day in and day out...you're going to hell if you don't believe or do this or that or send us this amount of money. Especially if the same folks they see preaching this to you, are doing said evil every other day of the week. Sunday Christians is what i call them.

    BUT, if you are just a person trying your best to live your life by your faith, and "shining your light into a dark world" so to speak, people generally stop and say...hmmmm why with all this persons problems are they so happy, or what gives this person the strength to do this or that. If asked, or if the opportunity presents itself, you tell them. I think that has "converted" (for lack of a better word at the moment) more people to faith than anything else. Jesus himself did go around preaching and teaching... but I think people felt drawn to him by his actions, by his behavior. I think that made people follow him, not just because of what he taught.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Then you, personally, have no business discussing religion if you are that far off in your assessments. The evengelical faiths witness to others out of a love for them and a desire to see them brought into the comfort of God's grace.
    Thanks for deciding who can and can't debate, Jall. I'm not so far off. I grew up in an Evangelical Baptist family. I have to tell you that when I came out I didn't witness too much love in the efforts the elders (and particularly the pastor) exerted on my mother to get her to reject me from the family. Needless to say, they had ejected me from the Fellowship quicker than my first boyfriend popped my cherry. That Grace you're referring to comes with a LOT of preconditions.

    I was not just referring to Evangelical Christianity however. There are many faiths that seem to place more store by the preconditions than by the fundamentals.

    Not sure what statistics exist to show that certain faiths do or don't set store by evangelising.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Thanks for deciding who can and can't debate, Jall.
    You're welcome.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Not all Christians believe that.
    Not all Christians are Christian.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    Sin...is sin....is sin...is sin. All are bad in God's eyes. Whether it be homosexuality, murder, stealing, coveting, whatever else you can think of. No one is bigger or worse than the other. According to the Bible (whether you agree with it, dont agree with it, dont care, whatever)... it states that homosexuality is an abomination to God. No one is telling anyone they have to believe that, it just is what it is. But all sin is. And it is always hate the sin not the sinner. I think homosexuality is a sin, that is my personal opinion and no one elses. However, having said that, I know quite a few gays and lesbians, some of whom I am friends with some I am not; but either way I dont hate them, I dont talk about them, I dont constantly push the bible in their faces to get them to see the error of their ways...they know where I stand on the issue, I know where they stand; doesnt mean we dont get along great. Doesnt mean that I dont think they are fantastic people. I just dont agree with their lifestyle and choose not to do that for myself. It's really not that difficult a concept to understand.
    I think you generally get it, though I think you are a bit wishy-washy on the sin of homosexuality. I think Paul's letter to the Corinthians makes the sin of homosexual behavior pretty clear. As you well point out, however, sin is sin. We are all sinners.

    Those that covet, those that divorce and re-marry, those that wish ill-will on their brother, those that lie, those that practice idoltry (which worship of the US dollar, the US Flag or any number of symbols could qualify) are not aligned with God's will for us, and thus are sinning. The sin of homosexuality has been elevated above other sin, and that is not biblical, for as you point out, sin is sin.

    Some Christians would have you believe the Three Commandments are 1) Though shall not have an abortion; 2) though shall not be homosexual and 3) though shall not view pornography. Funny, Christ spoke of none of these things (well, except #3). Instead, these have become convenient things for Christians to rally around and preach about as they are each "other people's sins" (not in all cases). Christians (and I am) love to preach on these because they promote self-righteousness and defer to need to look at each of our individual sins, which for each of us, are sufficient for eternal damnation...

    I think arguing anything but the fact that homosexuality is a sin is just twisting the Bible into your personal belief system; that said, homosexuality is among many, many sins, most of which we rarely talk about (like greed, which was a Ten Commandment and Christ spoke often about)... Let those from the religious right start talking about greed (probably America's most egregious sin), then watch the fireworks in the Republican party.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What makes this one so special that you want to force everyone else to accept it without any basis in genetics or any other natural cause for it?
    Yeah, gay people just like to make trouble by being different.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Arresting someone for speech makes sense to you?

    That doesn't fly in free countries.

    Was the man inciting a riot? Exhorting the commission of a crime?

    No. He was teaching a layman the teachings of his church.

    He wouldn't have been arrested if he'd been a muslim imam.
    This is where you (and a lot of others on here) are wrong.

    He would have been arrested were he a Muslim Imam.

    This happened in the UK - a nation without the 1st Amendment who has hate speech laws.

    Those are two things that are very different from here in the US.

    I'm just kinda sick of everyone acting like this happened in the states and under our laws. It didn't.

    Hypothetically, it's all right to argue whether it was right or wrong for him to be arrested (and I believe that since he was in public space and not a church changes things here, but I could be wrong about that); but people are talking about this as if it were an American issue and it is not.

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