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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The dictionary says it's "a fear or contempt for". He could have had contempt. No one said fear was necessary for the term to apply.
    Ah - a designer defintion.

    REAL phobias don't have anything to do with 'contempt for' the object/issue in question.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah - a designer defintion.
    No, a dictionary definition. Get it right next time.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, a dictionary definition. Get it right next time.
    No, no - I was right the first time.

    Phobia:
    -An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia

    -An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations; "phobic disorder is a general term for all ...
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    -A phobia (from the φόβος, phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

    -An intense fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Examples of phobias include fear of closed-in places, heights, escalators, tunnels, highway driving, water, flying, dogs, and injuries involving blood.
    science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih5/mental/other/glossary.htm

    Not seeing where "phobia" also includes "contempt for".

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Catz,

    Sure I did! I agreed that homosexuality is a sin...nothing more. But that doesn't mean I hate homosexuals anymore than I hate prostitutes, people who consume too much alcohol, drug addicts, child moslesters (okay, those people I do despise), murderers (depending on why they killed, i.e., a soldier wouldn't be considered a murderer in my book unless he went against the rules of engagement), etc.

    Don't presume to know my religious convictions just because you've read a few posts by me. I'm a long way from being as you say...a religious "fundamentalist". People who start religious cults are religious fundamentalist (not to mention nuts cases). I'm a long way from being cultish.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 05-04-10 at 05:08 PM.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, no - I was right the first time.

    Phobia:
    -An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia
    No you were not. Funny how you conveniently skip the second definition:

    pho·bi·a (fb-)
    n.
    1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
    2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

    And the definition of phobia on its own has little to do with the separate definition of the word "homophobe" other than sharing a root. That gives an impression of the definition but not the nuance of how it is used in modern language.

    So no, you are still verifiably wrong.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No, no - I was right the first time.

    Phobia:
    -An irrational or obsessive fear or anxiety, usually of or about something particular
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Phobia

    -An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations; "phobic disorder is a general term for all ...
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    -A phobia (from the φόβος, phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or people. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive and unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobia

    -An intense fear of something that poses little or no actual danger. Examples of phobias include fear of closed-in places, heights, escalators, tunnels, highway driving, water, flying, dogs, and injuries involving blood.
    science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih5/mental/other/glossary.htm

    Not seeing where "phobia" also includes "contempt for".
    AskOxford: homophobia

    homophobia

    • noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals.

    Homophobia - Definition and More from Merriam-Webster's Free Medical Dictionary

    Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
    Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
    Function: noun
    : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

    Dear ****ing god. Battle of the damn dictionaries again.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    AskOxford: homophobia

    homophobia

    • noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals.

    Homophobia - Definition and More from Merriam-Webster's Free Medical Dictionary

    Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
    Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
    Function: noun
    : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

    Dear ****ing god. Battle of the damn dictionaries again.
    Its because Goobie thinks that he the difference between "fear" and "contempt" is somehow a defense against a charge of homophobia. It's not.

    And the fact that he is just plain wrong as usual.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No you were not. Funny how you conveniently skip the second definition:
    I could have only 'skipped over' that 'second defintion' if said defintion were present in any of the cites I presented. That it was not defeats your point and reinforces mine.

    But wait - here's more:
    -combining form extreme or irrational fear or dislike of a specified thing:
    AskOxford: -phobia

    -an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
    Phobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    -An unreasonable sort of fear that can cause avoidance and panic. Phobias are a relatively common type of anxiety disorder.
    Phobia definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

    -A phobia is an intense but unrealistic fear that can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, brought on by an object, event or situation.
    Phobias - definition of Phobias in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Interesting how none of these defintions include in any way the terms 'dislike' or 'contempt'.

    And the definition of phobia on its own has little to do with the separate definition of the word "homophobe" other than sharing a root. That gives an impression of the definition but not the nuance of how it is used in modern language.
    As I said - a designer definition, one not actually related ot the root of the word but intended to relate said root to those described by said word.

    So no, you are still verifiably wrong.
    Not in the slightest.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Its because Goobie thinks that he the difference between "fear" and "contempt" is somehow a defense against a charge of homophobia. It's not.
    If there's no fear, there's no phobia.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I could have only 'skipped over' that 'second defintion' if said defintion were present in any of the cites I presented. That it was not defeats your point and reinforces mine.
    No, it does not. It simply means your knowledge of language is superficial and your definitions are opportunistic.

    Look, I didn't make you be wrong; the dictionary just demonstrates that you are. And living reality backs up and reinforces just how wrong you are.

    What do you want me to do about it? You could make it all better by just stopping being wrong but I can't do that for you.

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