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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wrong. He was ostensibly arrested for how he COMMUNICATED his beliefs.
    Because he answered a woman in debate she initiated?

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Why are you so keen to believe a street preacher rather than the police?
    I, like many Americans, am apt to take the word of the private citizen over the government authority any day. The private citizen is innocent until proven guilty under the burden of proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. The government authority enjoys no such privilege. Ever.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, he was arrested for speaking them aloud in a public place.
    How is that different?


    If he's in private, no one can hear him.

    And his arrest was wrong, IMO.

    On that we can agree.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wrong. He was ostensibly arrested for how he COMMUNICATED his beliefs. That's why it was a disruption of the public peace offense.
    Did he yell it out? No.

    He said it to another person. The very fact its considered a public peace offense is absurd but I don't expect you to understand that.

    Of course, English free speech laws are different from our own.
    NO! Stop the presses!!

    However, even in the U.S., if you share your views in disruptive ways, you can be arrested.
    Show me one law in the US that is similar. Go ahead.

    There are legal limits on free speech even in the U.S. For instance, students are not allowed to wear clothing items that might be disruptive to the learning environment. Schools can censor even religious symbols if it is determined that those symbols have a link to gangs and/or disruptive behavior.
    Children are not adults. Next.

    You can listen to whatever music you want, but if you listen to it too loudly, many communities have noise ordinances that prohibit noise that is loud enough to disrupt other people's use of their own property or public spaces.
    And since he wasn't yelling this is another worthless and useless observation of the subject.

    This isn't just "evil socialists attack religious people."
    Actually thats exactly what it is. This guy didn't yell or scream. He simply related his religious beliefs to another person on the street and he was thrown in jail for it.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'm not opining on the justice or injustice of the case. I'm pointing out that you are whipping yourself into a froth of indignation on the basis of one newspaper article whose only witness to the event was the preacher himself. So, you are saying that this is the action of the politically correct fascist state on the basis of one street preacher's sense of victimhood.
    I'm trusting the article as it was reported. You are basing your distrust off nothing.

    This isn't rocket science. What keeps alluding you?

    If you had bothered to read it the article also reports on what the police said as well.

    If you can corroborate his story with the testimony of disinterested witnesses, then we can take it from there. The Telegraph provides no such corroboration. Why are you so keen to believe a street preacher rather than the police?
    Ah so he's a liar until another article says he isn't even though you have no basis he is lying. Nice logic.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    I await the arrest of Richard Dawkins. The man openly offends religious people and says things far worse and offensive than calling homosexuality a sin. Seriously, what is up with the UK? Is it going to enforce liberal secular morals and silence all who disagree in such a fascist way? People have a right to their opinion and a right to voice it, be it secular liberals, militant atheists, or fundamentalist Christians.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Well I certainly missed this from the article:

    He claims that the PCSO then said he was homosexual and identified himself as the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender liaison officer for Cumbria police. Mr McAlpine replied: Its still a sin.

    So this was a witch hunt by a homosexual who didn't like the fact this guy didn't agree with him.

    This is actually worse than I thought.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    He was still arrested for his beliefs. Its kind of sad you are trying to parse it just because he said it aloud.
    I really can't take anyone seriously who whines about infringements to civil liberties on one hand but is happier than a clam at high tide about infringements in another. You either accept the principles of civil liberties, or you don't and thus making a never ending string of exceptions for why a group is not deserving of them. If you were a little more enlightened you'd perceive this obvious wrong (arresting someone for a very innocuous action) and say to yourself, "Gee, this sort of thing is pretty damn common on an institutionalized level in our own country. I guess intolerence can go both ways!" Instead, completely oblivious to the point of the story you only perceive the wrong done to the preacher, and there your enlightenment ends.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I really can't take anyone seriously who whines about infringements to civil liberties on one hand but is happier than a clam at high tide about infringements in another.
    More empty rhetoric without evidence. Typical.

    You either accept the principles of civil liberties, or you don't and thus making a never ending string of exceptions for why a group is not deserving of them. If you were a little more enlightened you'd perceive this obvious wrong (arresting someone for a very innocuous action) and say to yourself, "Gee, this sort of thing is pretty damn common on an institutionalized level in our own country. I guess dickwadery can go both ways!" Instead, completely oblivious to the point of the story you only perceive the wrong done to the preacher, and there your enlightenment ends.
    #1 I never once claimed I was enlightened because that's reserved for those pc folks who claim they are tolerant of everything until you find something they don't agree with..

    #2 You have yet to prove this is a crime or even related to any law in this country.

    If you are going to continue making these laughable claims you could at least try and back them up.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That's the thing about Free Speech. It applies to speech that you may disagree with.

    I hope the United States never goes this far. We have to vigilantly protect Free Speech and an attitude of tolerance the expression of ideas we find repugnant.
    I agree, however, IMO the Fred Phelps gang oversteps when they protest at funerals.

    This sounds like overzealous police misusing disturbing the peace type laws.

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