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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Of course, but I did reference the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in which freedom of religious expression is conspicuous by its absence.
    Except that it's conspicuous by its presence in Article 18.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    A long ****ing time. Surprised, we are not.
    Figures.

    Why would anyone be surprised? The Westboro Baptist Church is forbidden in the UK if I remember, and you can't get much more of a banning of a religious organization's freedom than that. This is a freedom of expression issue, and the UK clearly disagrees vehemently with promoting prejudice based on religious beliefs. Personally, I've seen enough people in this country try to ban LGBT books and online resources that I'm pretty protective of free expression even when its coming from religious prejudice. I'm offended by them and they are offended by me, and yet we manage to live together in a free society.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Personally, I've seen enough people in this country try to ban LGBT books and online resources that I'm pretty protective of free expression even when its coming from religious prejudice. I'm offended by them and they are offended by me, and yet we manage to live together in a free society.
    You know why? Because you haven't been conditioned to be a little pussy by your culture.

    That's the problem with the EU today...they are culturally weak because of political correctness run amok.

    They can't even protect their culture with moral and historical instruction because they can't freely express their traditional values in public without this type of thing. Their cultural distinctions will eventually fade or there will be an uprising. You cannot suppress free expression and not have backlash. Severe backlash.

    I mean right here in this very thread, a European called on a document expecting it to prove a point and didn't even know what the document said. Further, he looked to the UN instead of his own country's charter to tell him what was valued and what was not. What does that tell you about the loss of cultural and national identitiy they suffer?
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, come on now.

    Now you've strayed far into freedom of speech territory. Which, of course, is where this belongs.

    Is that a universal human right?
    Yes, of course it is.
    Article 19 UN UDHR
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
    However, nothing in that article indicates that exercising that right is without consequence. If you sign the Official Secrets Act as a member of the government or security services, you may be subject to legal sanction if you impart classified information. Similarly, if you publish derogatory information (which you believe to be true, but turns out to be otherwise,) about someone else, you may be subject to legal sanction. And on a more human level, if you deliberately say insulting things about someone else's loved ones, within that person's hearing, it is likely you will get a fat lip, or a bloody nose. And you will get very little sympathy in any of those events.

    Freedom of speech is a valuable commodity, but it does not supersede common human decency, or due regard for the feelings or safety of others. Inflammatory invective can be more dangerous than guns and bombs.
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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Freedom of speech is a valuable commodity, but it does not supersede common human decency, or due regard for the feelings or safety of others.
    So how does that apply to a woman who walks up to a preacher and initiates debate with him about his beliefs and then walks off to get an officer because she found what he related to her offensive?

    I cannot believe English society has become that weak.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You know why? Because you haven't been conditioned to be a little pussy by your culture.
    The idea that people are protected from ever being offended is simply baffling to me. Where does that mistaken idea come from?

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Except that it's conspicuous by its presence in Article 18.
    True, I must admit I missed that bit, so I retract my statement about the right to religious expression.
    I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. E.M. Forster

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    True, I must admit I missed that bit, so I retract my statement about the right to religious expression.
    At least the English still know how to deliver a gracious apology. I think it's the nannies.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The idea that people are protected from ever being offended is simply baffling to me. Where does that mistaken idea come from?
    This is my personal opinion so you take it how you will but...

    I think it's been a push in Europe to do what we did by uniting the colonies under one federation except that Europe has too much cultural distinction. When you can press a dissolution of those distinctions under the guise of tolerance and, ironically, contempt for the oldest cultural traditions in the society, it makes it a little easier to corral everyone under the same government umbrella eventually which would be the EU.

    Europe, for all its cultural achievement, is still having to imitate something we did over 200 years ago with far less difficulty.

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    Re: Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    True, I must admit I missed that bit, so I retract my statement about the right to religious expression.
    Thank you. You do your society's reputation for being polite a great service.

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