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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
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    ~10 years since the hostilities started, and they can still infiltrate New York City.

    Can be spun five ways: [1] the wars in Afghanistan/Pakistan are fruitless, and we are still as vulnerable as ever; [2] the mission isn't complete; [3] the Iraq excursion was an unnecessary detour, and our real threat has always been the Taliban/FATA al-Qa'ida; [4] Bush failed; [5] Obama failed.
    There is always going to be ways to infiltrate the US, unless we totally seal our borders, which would be even more harmful. Absolute security is just not going to happen.

    I did love your list of 5 ways to spin it, very well done.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Given the incompetence of the event I was thinking a lone nutter white racist for this incident.

    It will be interesting to find out who the Nissan Pathfinder belongs to and where it came from.

    NYC or a larger US metro center most likely a islamic terrorist, a rural community a white racist.

    Although way any group would want to associate them with such a poor job is beyond me
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    I thought when Obama was elected this nonsense would stop.

    What happened?

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I thought when Obama was elected this nonsense would stop.

    What happened?

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Just looking at the type of explosives they tried to use, and the failed detonation this has the hallmarks of a homegrown terrorist attempt.
    Firstly its extremely amateurish, a hodgepodge of different types of explosives: fireworks, black powder, propane tanks, and NO shrapnel around the explosives.
    None of these are particularly explosive and probably won't do much damage, in fact the SUV these were packed it would probably do more to contain the explosion than expand it. A propane tank would probably make more of a fire ball than dangerous explosion, the fireworks and black powder would do the same. Especially if the propane or fireworks were ignited first, it would blow the black powder for a split second and reduce its effectiveness.
    If the the goal of this was to kill people it would have been built differently, or it means the bomb makers dont know what they are doing.

    Additionally, all overseas terrorists that have come to this country have been suicide attackers, this guy ran from the vehicle after he planted it. Also most IEDs in Iraq and Afghanistan these days aren't timed bombs, they are built with triggers so they can be set off at any time. I keep with IED attacks and disarmed bombs through the Army and timed explosives are very very uncommon.

    Lastly homegrown terrorists tend to be more concerned about their lives than Afghan, Pakistanis, or AQ in general. If this was someone from overseas it would have almost certainly been a suicide bomber. Its also unlikely that someone sent a bomb maker to the US, those people are valuable and most are trained and experienced in converting military explosives into IEDs, not propane tanks and fireworks.

    I don't know anything other than open source but in my experience and education this says homegrown terrorist, I could even see this as someone without a terrorist agenda.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    One thing's for sure, this terrorist act will surely ramp up the illegal immigration debate.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
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    ~10 years since the hostilities started, and they can still infiltrate New York City.

    Can be spun five ways: [1] the wars in Afghanistan/Pakistan are fruitless, and we are still as vulnerable as ever; [2] the mission isn't complete; [3] the Iraq excursion was an unnecessary detour, and our real threat has always been the Taliban/FATA al-Qa'ida; [4] Bush failed; [5] Obama failed.
    [quote][“Can be spun five ways: [1] the wars in Afghanistan/Pakistan are fruitless, and we are still as vulnerable as ever;”/QUOTE]

    Those two war zones were the ones that should have received the majority of our attention right after 09/11. The AFGHANT THEATRE was the war that required sustaining direct military action switching to political action until the war was resolved.
    I feel that it is not being partisan but being factual to state that Bush/Cheney took their eyes off this Theatre.

    “ [2] the mission isn't complete;”
    How true !!

    “ [3] the Iraq excursion was an unnecessary detour, and our real threat has always been the Taliban/FATA al-Qa'ida;”
    I would say that the facts on the ground especially after we invaded have sustained that position.

    “ [4] Bush failed;”
    - Based upon the fact that we are still redoing what Bush abandoned what else can we say.

    “[5] Obama failed. “
    well not yet but as time goes on and it becomes “his” wars it will be extremely difficult for even the most ardent Obama defenders or Obama apologists to deny his culpability.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is always going to be ways to infiltrate the US, unless we totally seal our borders, which would be even more harmful. Absolute security is just not going to happen.

    I did love your list of 5 ways to spin it, very well done.
    They'd have an easier time posing as New York City cab drivers.

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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, there is something that just doesn't meet the eye here. It was such an amateurish attempt, and now "The Pakistani Taliban" is taking credit for it. "The Pakistani Taliban" is a huge generalization of a lot of different groups, and there is no specific group mentioned, just the general Pakistani Taliban.

    Could this have been a false flag operation planned by somebody? Could the bomb have been a dud for a reason, with it's only real purpose to instill fear in Americans, to socialize us for yet another war of some kind, or to socialize us for expanding operations in Afghanistan? In connecting the dots, those dots could lead anywhere.

    BTW, I am just playing Devil's advocate here, and attempting to get some discussion going on this angle, in order to see where the discussion might lead.
    My wife had CBS news on and someone on CBS commented that maybe this was a "test b0mb" to see how the NY Police authorites would respond. So you may not be all that far off.
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    Re: Pakistani Taliban claims NYC car bomb attempt

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    One thing's for sure, this terrorist act will surely ramp up the illegal immigration debate.
    How do we know that it was illegals ? Could be legal immigrants. Hey the Ft. Hood killer monster was a born in the USA muslim fanatic/terrorist. If there was a national "show me your papers law" that killer schmuck would have passed with flying colors. Also some converts to muslimism are just a violent and foerign born muslim terrorists.
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