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Navy outlines plans to put women in sub crews

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Well it looks like a done deal......They will start with a few female officers and then integrate enlisted women on the Trident Submarines...These are huge submarines longer then a football field.......They might get away with them there but the Fast Attack Submarines are much smaller and a whole another matter....Stay tuned:




Navy outlines plans to put women in sub crews

Navy outlines plans to put women in sub crews - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times

By Lance M. Bacon - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Apr 30, 2010 15:38:22 EDT

The first 19 women to serve aboard subs will be selected this summer, and will likely be officers new to the Navy, according to the Navy’s guidelines for bringing women into the undersea service. An additional eight female supply officers will be eligible to join the ranks late next year.

The guidelines, issued by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead, came in conjunction with Thursday’s official announcement of women being cleared to serve aboard submarines. The change was considered by Congress after Defense Secretary Robert Gates formally presented a letter to congressional leaders Feb. 19 notifying them of the Navy’s desire to reverse the male-only policy.
 
Navy, you're our resident Navy expert. How do you feel about Seawomen?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
He doesn't appreciate them as much as he appreciates seamen.
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Ouch.

For why? Women can be warriors just as easily as men. I know some women who could kick the living **** out of many marines I know.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Ouch.

For why? Women can be warriors just as easily as men. I know some women who could kick the living **** out of many marines I know.
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Thanks for the helpful set-up. As far as Navy's biases against sea women, who knows where those come from. He's old-school.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
He doesn't appreciate them as much as he appreciates seamen.
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I'll admit, that one got a chuckle.

But more on TOPIC, I actually agree somewhat with NP. Operational issues on our subs makes integrating women into the crew rather difficult. There just isn't freaking room on a submarine for separate accommodations for female crew members that current regulations would require. While there are probably women willing to put up with shared facilities, the Navy is going to have a hard time with it. Sexual harassment and assault are big enough problems in the armed forces right now, those problems will probably magnify on a long-deployment sub.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it will work out. I hope it works out, full integration of women (and homosexuals) into the military is a goal we should work towards. I think with subs, given the extremely limited space, it might have to wait for our next-generation subs when they can be designed from the start with an integrated crew in mind.

Then again, people made a pretty similar argument about black people in the military a while back...
 
Deuce said:
I'll admit, that one got a chuckle.

But more on TOPIC, I actually agree somewhat with NP. Operational issues on our subs makes integrating women into the crew rather difficult. There just isn't freaking room on a submarine for separate accommodations for female crew members that current regulations would require. While there are probably women willing to put up with shared facilities, the Navy is going to have a hard time with it. Sexual harassment and assault are big enough problems in the armed forces right now, those problems will probably magnify on a long-deployment sub.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it will work out. I hope it works out, full integration of women (and homosexuals) into the military is a goal we should work towards. I think with subs, given the extremely limited space, it might have to wait for our next-generation subs when they can be designed from the start with an integrated crew in mind.

Then again, people made a pretty similar argument about black people in the military a while back...
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Well, remember that these first women officers and female enlisted are the first. They have to serve on board submarines with men just to get the experience. Because of this step, 10 years from now we'll be able to have all female submarine crews. So I think that for now we'll have mixed crews on submarines, but in the future we'll be able to have submarine crews that are all-male or all-female, which I think is more preferable than only all-male crews on subs.
 
Navy Pride said:
Its one of the biggest screups the Navy ever made..........
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Is it putting women in positions that they can make decisions what is troubling ?

Or is it mixing women and men on a boat?
 
Arch Enemy said:
Is it putting women in positions that they can make decisions what is troubling ?

Or is it mixing women and men on a boat?
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Personally, I'm troubled by mixing women and men on a submarine for the safety of the women. But unless they do some kind of officer exchange so some of our female naval officers can serve on submarines with foreign crews that already have mixed-gender or all-female sub crews, it's the only way women will get the experience they need.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well it looks like a done deal......They will start with a few female officers and then integrate enlisted women on the Trident Submarines...These are huge submarines longer then a football field.......They might get away with them there but the Fast Attack Submarines are much smaller and a whole another matter....Stay tuned:




Navy outlines plans to put women in sub crews

Navy outlines plans to put women in sub crews - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times

By Lance M. Bacon - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Apr 30, 2010 15:38:22 EDT

The first 19 women to serve aboard subs will be selected this summer, and will likely be officers new to the Navy, according to the Navy’s guidelines for bringing women into the undersea service. An additional eight female supply officers will be eligible to join the ranks late next year.

The guidelines, issued by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead, came in conjunction with Thursday’s official announcement of women being cleared to serve aboard submarines. The change was considered by Congress after Defense Secretary Robert Gates formally presented a letter to congressional leaders Feb. 19 notifying them of the Navy’s desire to reverse the male-only policy.
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WHen ever there is a group of enlisted men around a woman on a sub they can say she has seamen all over her. Or maybe some of the females nickname will be choo choo or doorknob.
 
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I support women and men serving together on submarines. This is an important moment for the Navy.
 
jamesrage said:
WHen ever there is a group of enlisted men around a woman on a sub they can say she has seamen all over her.
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So, does that mean that men who are surrounded by other men on a submarine also enjoy being covered with seamen?
 
If the sub is a rockin don't a come knocking
 
The Navy is going in the right dictations I see good for them. ;)
 
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Arch Enemy said:
Ouch.

For why? Women can be warriors just as easily as men. I know some women who could kick the living **** out of many marines I know.
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I think there is some real world problems to worry about here. I mean, once you start mixing men and women into the same cramped space for however long they're at sea for; you ain't gonna stop all the monkey business. So you either have an OB or an abortion doctor on board or are somehow able to make it so ever time it happens, you can turn the sub around and return to port. But I didn't think that they returned to port often. Maybe they do. Still, there are real concerns. We could say "well a woman can do X", and while that may be true we also have to consider the full environment which we're talking about.
 
Ikari said:
I think there is some real world problems to worry about here. I mean, once you start mixing men and women into the same cramped space for however long they're at sea for; you ain't gonna stop all the monkey business. So you either have an OB or an abortion doctor on board or are somehow able to make it so ever time it happens, you can turn the sub around and return to port. But I didn't think that they returned to port often. Maybe they do. Still, there are real concerns. We could say "well a woman can do X", and while that may be true we also have to consider the full environment which we're talking about.
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The thing is that there aren't that many places in such a small boat to monkey around without getting caught.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The thing is that there aren't that many places in such a small boat to monkey around without getting caught.
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I don't think that will stop them. We're monkeys afterall.
 
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