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Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

zimmer said:
Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law : NPR

That's exactly what the American masses wanted to here.
Talk about giving people something to vote for... driving people to the polls... perfecto.

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Hear?

Because the masses are always right?:roll::roll:

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I would rather Congress amend the new laws rather than clean the slate, depriving people of the incentives they received when this first passed.
 
Cilogy said:
I would rather Congress amend the new laws rather than clean the slate, depriving people of the incentives they received when this first passed.
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The problem I see with the healthcare bill is that it really does nothing to actually control costs. The CBO scoring includes many things that will never actually happen (such as estimated GDP growth rates, medicare reimbursement issues etc..) and their 20 year estimate has costs going through the roof...

Something needed to be done, but this bill has done nothing to solve the problem. Health care is not a right, and should not be treated as such.
 
hazlnut said:
Hear?

Because the masses are always right?:roll::roll:

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So what the hell is your point? Do you have something to say about the health care bill, and effort to repeal it? Because the only message I get from your post is that we should stop being so democratic.
 
Dav said:
Yeah, that's EXACTLY what happened during the last health care debate, and exactly why the health care bill became so popular and Republicans are in such big trouble... oh wait :roll:

Why exactly is it supposed to be different when the exact same debate happens again?
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Was that a joke? The amount of facts that got pushed out by the media could be counted on one hand.

Republicans are not going to repeal it. Seriously, merely suggesting you're going to bring back the donut hole will destroy the elderly vote.
 
obvious Child said:
Was that a joke? The amount of facts that got pushed out by the media could be counted on one hand.

Republicans are not going to repeal it. Seriously, merely suggesting you're going to bring back the donut hole will destroy the elderly vote.
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You're completely missing the point. If the health care bill was unpopular when it passed and the GOP is in a good position after having opposed it, why would this situation be different in the near future? It makes no sense, but that's what you were implying.
 
merely suggesting that you're going to keep the mandate is costing dems drastically in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, illinois, iowa, tennessee, colorado, nevada, arkansas...

RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups

RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Governor No Toss Ups

did you see what happened to dem turnout in yesterday's primaries in indiana, ohio and north carolina?

Dem Turnout Falls Off A Cliff - Hotline On Call

republican numbers, in contrast, were WAY UP

plus THIRTY NINE PERCENT in buckeye country!

for example
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
The masses don't you mean just tea parties, and the fact most want the health care bill passed with a public option. I did a poll about this yesterday, and so far people who have said No is equal to 42%, and the one who said yes equal to 58%. The masses want a public option, and support the health care reform


RyrineaNara on deviantART

The people who think ObamaCare is the right way to go 45% said no, and 31% said yes, and 24% say somewhat meaning their are more people who think Obama is going in somewhat the right directions.
31% +24%= 55% is somewhat for Obama
RyrineaNara's poll: Obamacare What are your thoughts?

The masses clearly want something done with the health care system...
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The internet and especially one that is a niche website targeting a very specific demographic is not a good place to conduct a poll. To further hit the point, look at how few responded.
 
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Dav said:
You're completely missing the point. If the health care bill was unpopular when it passed and the GOP is in a good position after having opposed it, why would this situation be different in the near future?
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Because the opposition will start pointing out the actual facts of the bill. Especially parts that got no play in the press. Do you really think the average retiree knows that the bill eliminates the drug donut? Do you think once they know they are going to be HAPPY to go back to it? How about the 31 MILLION voters who are going to lose insurance? Or the millions of 25 and 26 year old students (not to mention 24 year olds) who are going to be uninsured?

The health care bill atmosphere was largely not factual or entirely cost focused. That will change if the bill comes up for repeal.

You put those three out front and center and the GOP won't repeal it for mere threat of losing their seats. That's ALOT of votes they just lost.
 
obvious Child said:
Because the opposition will start pointing out the actual facts of the bill. Especially parts that got no play in the press. Do you really think the average retiree knows that the bill eliminates the drug donut? Do you think once they know they are going to be HAPPY to go back to it? How about the 31 MILLION voters who are going to lose insurance? Or the millions of 25 and 26 year old students (not to mention 24 year olds) who are going to be uninsured?

The health care bill atmosphere was largely not factual or entirely cost focused. That will change if the bill comes up for repeal.

You put those three out front and center and the GOP won't repeal it for mere threat of losing their seats. That's ALOT of votes they just lost.
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Besides the complete disdain for democracy (something I see from you often), this ignores that the effort to repeal is generally acknowledged be a lot harder after 2014 rolls around and the bill's main effects start kicking in. The idea is to stop it before then, there being two Congressional elections and a presidential election in between.

Of course, there's no reason why it'll suddenly become a "factual" debate (i.e. a debate where people agree with you) if it comes up for repeal before 2014 rather than when it was up for a vote in the first place. But yes, I am willing to bet that the average retiree not only knows of the drug donut thing, but doesn't care, because it's one small provision in an otherwise immense bill, and the one that is least likely to be done away with anyways. It's more likely that they'll repeal it except for that and the pre-existing conditions thing, and maybe the 26-year-old mandate.
 
the donut hole---LOL!

tell it to arlen specter, blanche lincoln, andy dillon, pat quinn...

martha coakley

tell it to mark critz on may 18

tell em about the ryrinea poll---LOL!

obama failed to bring it up in his campaign swings thru IOWA

both of which came AFTER the PIG passed

Text - Obama?s Remarks in Iowa City on Health Care - NYTimes.com

In Greeting Iowa Voters, Obama Focuses on Finances - NYTimes.com

but then our poor, put out prez doesn't know how to play politics

of course, he CAN'T bring up quinnipiac, rasmussen, gallup, cbs, opinion research, ppp...

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

he can't bring up the class act, the criminalization of the uninsured, the back breaking burdens on already bankrupt states...

of course, obama believes that HIS MISTAKE was thinking that if he "focus(ed) on policy" the american "people will get it"

President Obama: We Lost Touch With American People Last Year - ABC News

ahab-like, he's still trying

the gulf is goo, the koreans are sinking ships on the parallel, iran is nukefying, putin and hu refuse to impose sanctions, the cartels are killing kids in ciudad, phoenix is the kidnapping capital of north america, greece is a CONTAGION infecting weaker eu's and spreading beyond...

and obama can be relied upon like fido always for his one response:

"HELLO, IOWA!"

pathetic
 
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obvious Child said:
Because the opposition will start pointing out the actual facts of the bill.
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The opposition to the health care bill did not point out any actual facts when the issue was being debated. Instead, it pointed out and repeated over and over items that were not actually in the bill at all.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The opposition to the health care bill did not point out any actual facts when the issue was being debated. Instead, it pointed out and repeated over and over items that were not actually in the bill at all.
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Who had time to read it in order to find those facts?
 
phattonez said:
Who had time to read it in order to find those facts?
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I don't know. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has actually read it.

It's a lot easier to just make up "facts" after all, and you can always tailor made up facts to fit your own ideology, whatever that is.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't know. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has actually read it.

It's a lot easier to just make up "facts" after all, and you can always tailor made up facts to fit your own ideology, whatever that is.
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We can make assumptions about what the underlying idea will do, but we can't really judge it until we have time to read it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't know. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has actually read it.

It's a lot easier to just make up "facts" after all, and you can always tailor made up facts to fit your own ideology, whatever that is.
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Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.
 
Gill said:
Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.
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Exactly, if I were a Congressman, I could send a bill to the CBO to be scored and say "assume 50000% GDP growth per quarter, resulting in a surplus of X dollars, then apply that surplus to the deficit."

The CBO has to score it based on the assumptions that I would make, and cannot legally say that the likelihood of that occurring is actually 0%. Therefore, they will basically be forced to conclude that my bill would eliminate the deficit by X dollars, and I can then run around saying "the CBO says my bill will eliminate the debt, how can you not support it?"
 
half a T cuts to m&m while simulataneously expanding massively both already overstrained entitlements:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

the double counting of another quarter T:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

secret deal with phrma:

Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma

seiu's exemption from the cadillac:

Unions nab sweetheart health-care deal - NYPOST.com

buy insurance or else:

Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Barthold_letter.pdf

good enough for starters

seeya in november

and december
 
Gill said:
Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.
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Ah, the far-rightie fantasy world were the speaker of the house has evil darth vader-like powers and can control the CBO...

Of course, when the CBO comes back with a report that supports their world view, they post it, quote it like crazy...
 
leadership was dishonest enough to SUBMIT to the cbo numbers the cbo found comprised double counting

it is what it is
 
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Dav said:
Besides the complete disdain for democracy (something I see from you often)
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This is incorrect. What you see is disdain for ignorant voters. A democracy is only as good as those who vote. And American voters are not the most intelligent or informed. The fact that our two parties are locked between not cutting and no revenue raising is sign of that. Not to mention a majority of voters haven't realized that a third party is bad, badly needed.

this ignores that the effort to repeal is generally acknowledged be a lot harder after 2014 rolls around and the bill's main effects start kicking in. The idea is to stop it before then, there being two Congressional elections and a presidential election in between.
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Tell me how those three things I mentioned will go down with voters. And then tell me how easy it will be to repeal when the elderly, uninsured and everyone 24-26 abandons the GOP. You know why the GOP hasn't seriously gone after social security and medicare? Because of the elderly. Fixing those two would put us back on the path to solvency rather then bull**** talk about immaterial pork. Tiny percentage jumps in either do far more damage then pork spending does. If the GOP actually gave a **** about fiscal conservatism, they'd fix SS and MC. But they won't because it will cost them huge number of votes.

Of course, there's no reason why it'll suddenly become a "factual" debate (i.e. a debate where people agree with you) if it comes up for repeal before 2014 rather than when it was up for a vote in the first place. But yes, I am willing to bet that the average retiree not only knows of the drug donut thing, but doesn't care
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Doesn't care? Do you know what one of the largest complaints about Medicare that the elderly had was? :2wave: You just argued that arguably the biggest gripe of the largest voting blocs in the country had suddenly doesn't care about it. Try think about that for a moment will ya? It's like saying that all the pro-weed people suddenly stop caring about weed.

because it's one small provision in an otherwise immense bill, and the one that is least likely to be done away with anyways. It's more likely that they'll repeal it except for that and the pre-existing conditions thing, and maybe the 26-year-old mandate.
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Possibly, it would be interesting to see what the GOP has in its place. The "bill" and I use that term loosely they offered was little more then horse ****.
 
 
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obvious Child said:
This is incorrect. What you see is disdain for ignorant voters. A democracy is only as good as those who vote. And American voters are not the most intelligent or informed. The fact that our two parties are locked between not cutting and no revenue raising is sign of that. Not to mention a majority of voters haven't realized that a third party is bad, badly needed.

Please show how this will benefit the country.

Tell me how those three things I mentioned will go down with voters. And then tell me how easy it will be to repeal when the elderly, uninsured and everyone 24-26 abandons the GOP. You know why the GOP hasn't seriously gone after social security and medicare? Because of the elderly. Fixing those two would put us back on the path to solvency rather then bull**** talk about immaterial pork. Tiny percentage jumps in either do far more damage then pork spending does. If the GOP actually gave a **** about fiscal conservatism, they'd fix SS and MC. But they won't because it will cost them huge number of votes.

No one said that those things could not be part of the replacment plan.

Doesn't care? Do you know what one of the largest complaints about Medicare that the elderly had was? :2wave: You just argued that arguably the biggest gripe of the largest voting blocs in the country had suddenly doesn't care about it. Try think about that for a moment will ya? It's like saying that all the pro-weed people suddenly stop caring about weed.

Link to support this claim?

Possibly, it would be interesting to see what the GOP has in its place. The "bill" and I use that term loosely they offered was little more then horse ****.
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Calling something names only shows that, you personally, don't agree with it, doesn't show that you are correct.
 
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hazlnut said:
Ah, the far-rightie fantasy world were the speaker of the house has evil darth vader-like powers and can control the CBO...

Of course, when the CBO comes back with a report that supports their world view, they post it, quote it like crazy...
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CBO has to score what they are given, if I wrote a bill and claimed that revenues from our national unicorn farm would rise 500% and not raise any taxes, they would have to score it that way. Still doesn't make it add up, here in the real world.
 
Why is everyone still calling this a heathcare bill? It is a law now....a freaking LAW. What the Republican majority should do is merely defund it.
 
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