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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I'm suggesting is that the contents of the bill are not up for debate. Those provisions you were linked to exist in plain black and white and are presently law of the land.
    They are presently the law of the land, correct. I think the topic of conversation is whether the Republican Party is capable of regaining power and changing some of those provisions.

    Personally, I think any big changes made by the opposing party are unlikely in the extreme, but who knows? Maybe they will succeed against all of the odds.

    First step: Win back congressional seats in November. Second step, get the Whitehouse back in '12.

    Now, who are they going to run in '12? Who is capable of winning the WhiteHouse, particularly if the economic recovery continues until then? There is the first big hurdle to jump.

    Of course, after that one, there will be others.
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    we don't necessarily have to TAKE congress (altho we likely will)

    just coming close will suffice

    cuz all the mike rosses and frank kratovils, unlike our tone deaf president, will HEAR the umistakable roar of the american voice and come our way

    say goodbye to the individual mandate, for instance

    very few in THIS FORUM, even, support it

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They are presently the law of the land, correct. I think the topic of conversation is whether the Republican Party is capable of regaining power and changing some of those provisions.

    Personally, I think any big changes made by the opposing party are unlikely in the extreme, but who knows? Maybe they will succeed against all of the odds.

    First step: Win back congressional seats in November. Second step, get the Whitehouse back in '12.

    Now, who are they going to run in '12? Who is capable of winning the WhiteHouse, particularly if the economic recovery continues until then? There is the first big hurdle to jump.

    Of course, after that one, there will be others.
    Hey, I wasn't the one questioning whether the provisions existed in the first place.

    Until 2012 the GOP can't do anything. It's mathematically impossible for them to get a filibuster-proof or veto-proof majority in the senate in 2010, and getting a 60-vote majority isn't going to be easy in 2012 either. Everything also hinges on getting the white house, because a veto-proof majority is probably impossible.

    2 years is a long way off in election terms but I don't see anybody yet who has a good shot against Obama in 2012.
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    we could run a community organizer from chappaqua and beat this guy, so long as he or she likes lipton

    the individual mandate, as an example, is so universally loathed, half the party formerly in power will support its overturning

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce
    Hey, I wasn't the one questioning whether the provisions existed in the first place.

    Until 2012 the GOP can't do anything. It's mathematically impossible for them to get a filibuster-proof or veto-proof majority in the senate in 2010, and getting a 60-vote majority isn't going to be easy in 2012 either. Everything also hinges on getting the white house, because a veto-proof majority is probably impossible.

    2 years is a long way off in election terms but I don't see anybody yet who has a good shot against Obama in 2012.
    I don't think the goal is to get the supermajority. I think the goal is just to get the normal majority. If I was a Republican strategist, I would campaign like it's 1999 to just take 51 votes in Senate, or at minimum reclaim the House, and then just start voting on and passing along bills that will benefit the middle-class, but are guaranteed to be vetoed down the chart - something akin to the Contract With America of the early to mid 90s. Switch the "party of no" moniker over to the Dems and watch Obama get crucified in the court of public opinion much more than what he's getting now.

    It's essentially cat and mouse, but with the Republicans trying to be the cat in this one. Winning Congress in totality should not be the chief objective, but to discredit Democrats to the point of delivering a death blow in '12.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    we'll start with the individual mandate, it's politically pernicious, poisonous, ie, extremely unpopular
    They can't get rid of the "individual mandate" without also allowing insurance companies to use pre-ex limitations and rescind policies when the proposed insured lies on the contract and that lie was material to the issuance of the policy. Otherwise, you'll just have healthy people not purchasing insurance until they get sick. Since the fines for not purchasing insurance are so weak, I still think many people will do this. I know if I lose my job, I will.

    I personally feel that the government should get rid of the mandate, and allow insurance companies to deny claims based on pre-ex conditions and rescind policies when the propsed insured commits material misrepresentation on the applicaiton.

    If they do that, the government can then work on increasing portability and affordability.

    Pre-ex denials and recissions aren't as onerous as the left have managed to convince the populace that they are. However, I can see toughening up the laws on rescissions a bit to prevent a few bad apples from misusing the process.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They can't get rid of the "individual mandate" without also allowing insurance companies to use pre-ex limitations and rescind policies when the proposed insured lies on the contract and that lie was material to the issuance of the policy. Otherwise, you'll just have healthy people not purchasing insurance until they get sick. Since the fines for not purchasing insurance are so weak, I still think many people will do this. I know if I lose my job, I will.
    absolutely spot on!

    there's also the class act which mandates that insurers charge MORE for the "young invulnerables" to pay for gramma and gramps

    yet, when the young flee this built in DISincentive, naturally, the insurers are stuck with disproportionate numbers of the old and expensive

    the whole thing is a fiscal house of cards, as is

    that's kinda the point

    but politics is politics

    and the mandate is easy pickings

    we'll sell it viably as we go and it will improve things

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I'm suggesting is that the contents of the bill are not up for debate. Those provisions you were linked to exist in plain black and white and are presently law of the land.

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    This is a health care law that is going to bankrupt the system.

    Improving the health care system is not at issue here, being able to honestly pay for the improvements is.

    CBO says it will reduce the deficit.

    This is what we are talking about here, not if it is passed into law or not. My links show how the CBO report is misleading, through no fault of their own, but in the tricky way the bill was written.

    You have got to know this by now, I wonder why you are ignoring this.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They can't get rid of the "individual mandate" without also allowing insurance companies to use pre-ex limitations and rescind policies when the proposed insured lies on the contract and that lie was material to the issuance of the policy. Otherwise, you'll just have healthy people not purchasing insurance until they get sick. Since the fines for not purchasing insurance are so weak, I still think many people will do this. I know if I lose my job, I will.

    I personally feel that the government should get rid of the mandate, and allow insurance companies to deny claims based on pre-ex conditions and rescind policies when the propsed insured commits material misrepresentation on the applicaiton.

    If they do that, the government can then work on increasing portability and affordability.

    Pre-ex denials and recissions aren't as onerous as the left have managed to convince the populace that they are. However, I can see toughening up the laws on rescissions a bit to prevent a few bad apples from misusing the process.

    A high risk pool would allow you to get rid of the individual mandate and still let the ins. companys make money. There are other ways to accomplish the goals without mandating people to buy somthing that they don't want.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's nice to see that there is still hope for America However, these Republicans better stick to their promises! They care too much about what the liberal media says about them and they compromise good ideas to seem "moderate." I will vote solid Republican all the way through in November, and if elected they better not disappointed me and the others who voted them in. I'm more disappointed with the Republicans than I am with the Democrats. This is great news to hear coming from the GOP, but I would like to believe it and not have to worry about empty rhetoric coming from Republitards who will flip flop once in office.
    me too they disapointed us.I hope they stand up if not we go after all the incumbent Republicans and vote them out of office

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