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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

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    You can either take the word of the CBO, an organization dedicated to this sort of thing, or you can take the word of a politician with an obvious conflict of interest.

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    Please provide the source so I can judge for myself. I have a hard time swallowing things like this.
    Apparently the only source you'll accept is the bill itself. I suggest you read it. These are all provisions in the bill, and this information is publicly available. I've read it myself, and seen every one of these items. This really isn't something that's up for debate...
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

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    You can either take the word of the CBO, an organization dedicated to this sort of thing, or you can take the word of a politician with an obvious conflict of interest.



    Apparently the only source you'll accept is the bill itself. I suggest you read it. These are all provisions in the bill, and this information is publicly available. I've read it myself, and seen every one of these items. This really isn't something that's up for debate...
    If Paul Ryan in the above link, has an obvious conflict of interest then why did Obama and the others not call him out right there in the summit meeting and prove that what he said was wrong.

    This explains why the CBO, although non partisan and dedicated to this sort of thing, has to give an artificial estimate

    Op-Ed Contributor - The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform - NYTimes.com

    Here is another from the other side of the aisle

    Paul Ryan v. the President - WSJ.com

    And are you really suggesting that the debate on health care reform is settled and not up for debate?

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law : NPR

    That's exactly what the American masses wanted to here.
    Talk about giving people something to vote for... driving people to the polls... perfecto.

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    I trust you are saying this with you tongue firmly planted in cheek, as the last thing Americans want is another year arguing about health care. Its a done deal. If the Republicans don't learn to deal with it, then their deal (the idea of gaining a majority) will be done gone.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    tell it to mark critz

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Oh my!...

    .. another empty promise from John the Boner.

    Whodda thunk it?


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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Battle for the House

    say goodbye to the pernicious provision that individuals must buy an exorbitantly expensive PRIVATE product, for starters

    mark ross will vote with US

    heck, after november, ms woolsey might

    LOL!

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    we won't repeal it

    but we will radically rewrite it

    wait and see

    we'll FIX it!
    I'm waiting.

    First, let's see whether that other party, the one that started all the deficit spending during the last administration and still calls itself "conservative" will get a majority next time around,

    The, let's see if they can actually improve on an admittedly imperfect measure, and perhaps do what should have been done initially, which has to be done sooner or later, which is to

    control costs!

    Maybe so, maybe not. Time will tell.
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    There is no way to get enough votes to override an Obama veto, the hope is to gain enough seats to be able to defund the bill, until such time as we have a president that will repeal the law.
    Two arguments against that:

    To be clear, appropriations bills, which are the legislative vehicles Congress uses to disperse money to the government, can be vetoed by the President and would require a veto override from Congress to then become law. What McCain is talking about, presumably, is engaging in a game of appropriations chicken.

    A Republican-led Congress would send Obama an appropriations bill minus the money for enacting the health care law and dare him to veto it. If he vetoes it, no funds are appropriated and unless Congress folds and sends it back with the health care money included, funding for the government would start to run out. Most of the health care funding would be contained in the Labor-HHS-Education appropriations bill, which funds a lot of the programs that get the most use, like public schools, low-income heating assistance, unemployment insurance, job training, and public broadcasting, so it would be a very high-stakes game.
    McCain: We Will Defund Health Care Reform - Blog - OpenCongress

    As Fabian notes, “Eliminating funds for the health law would likely be done through the appropriations process in Congress, but it is unclear how Republicans would accomplish their goal by sidestepping a veto. Under the constitution, the president has the right to veto any bill that is passed by Congress.” Indeed, it’s also unclear how much damage the Republicans could actually do, since most of the reform legislation is funded through mandatory spending, which is harder for Congress to control than discretionary spending.

    Mandatory spending, such as Medicare and Medicaid, continues from year to year unless Congress passes new legislation to reduce it; discretionary spending, which covers most of the day-to-day operations of federal agencies, is appropriated every year in annual appropriations bills. It’s far easier for Congress to adjust an appropriations mark than muster the political support to pass new legislation to defund the new Medicaid expansion or affordability credits to middle class Americans.
    Wonk Room Will Republicans Be Able To Defund Health Care Reform?

    Are Republicans ready for a game of chicken?


    Quote Originally Posted by cholla
    Why would anyone want to get rid of the provisions that make sense?
    I thought Republicans said it needed to be scrapped and the process to be re-started? Then which portions would they repeal?
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    we'll start with the individual mandate, it's politically pernicious, poisonous, ie, extremely unpopular

    the exemption for seiu would be low hanging fruit

    the secret deal with phrma pisses off the left more than the right

    the mandate on states is completely impracticable

    i could go on, but that's good enough for ante

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    If Paul Ryan in the above link, has an obvious conflict of interest then why did Obama and the others not call him out right there in the summit meeting and prove that what he said was wrong.

    This explains why the CBO, although non partisan and dedicated to this sort of thing, has to give an artificial estimate

    Op-Ed Contributor - The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform - NYTimes.com

    Here is another from the other side of the aisle

    Paul Ryan v. the President - WSJ.com

    And are you really suggesting that the debate on health care reform is settled and not up for debate?
    What I'm suggesting is that the contents of the bill are not up for debate. Those provisions you were linked to exist in plain black and white and are presently law of the land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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