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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has actually read it.

    It's a lot easier to just make up "facts" after all, and you can always tailor made up facts to fit your own ideology, whatever that is.
    Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.
    Exactly, if I were a Congressman, I could send a bill to the CBO to be scored and say "assume 50000% GDP growth per quarter, resulting in a surplus of X dollars, then apply that surplus to the deficit."

    The CBO has to score it based on the assumptions that I would make, and cannot legally say that the likelihood of that occurring is actually 0%. Therefore, they will basically be forced to conclude that my bill would eliminate the deficit by X dollars, and I can then run around saying "the CBO says my bill will eliminate the debt, how can you not support it?"

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    half a T cuts to m&m while simulataneously expanding massively both already overstrained entitlements:

    Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

    the double counting of another quarter T:

    Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

    secret deal with phrma:

    Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma

    seiu's exemption from the cadillac:

    Unions nab sweetheart health-care deal - NYPOST.com

    buy insurance or else:

    Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

    http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Polit...old_letter.pdf

    good enough for starters

    seeya in november

    and december

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, kinda like the "facts" and assumptions that Nancy told the CBO to use in their evaluation of the bill.

    Ah, the far-rightie fantasy world were the speaker of the house has evil darth vader-like powers and can control the CBO...

    Of course, when the CBO comes back with a report that supports their world view, they post it, quote it like crazy...

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    leadership was dishonest enough to SUBMIT to the cbo numbers the cbo found comprised double counting

    it is what it is
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Besides the complete disdain for democracy (something I see from you often)
    This is incorrect. What you see is disdain for ignorant voters. A democracy is only as good as those who vote. And American voters are not the most intelligent or informed. The fact that our two parties are locked between not cutting and no revenue raising is sign of that. Not to mention a majority of voters haven't realized that a third party is bad, badly needed.

    this ignores that the effort to repeal is generally acknowledged be a lot harder after 2014 rolls around and the bill's main effects start kicking in. The idea is to stop it before then, there being two Congressional elections and a presidential election in between.
    Tell me how those three things I mentioned will go down with voters. And then tell me how easy it will be to repeal when the elderly, uninsured and everyone 24-26 abandons the GOP. You know why the GOP hasn't seriously gone after social security and medicare? Because of the elderly. Fixing those two would put us back on the path to solvency rather then bull**** talk about immaterial pork. Tiny percentage jumps in either do far more damage then pork spending does. If the GOP actually gave a **** about fiscal conservatism, they'd fix SS and MC. But they won't because it will cost them huge number of votes.

    Of course, there's no reason why it'll suddenly become a "factual" debate (i.e. a debate where people agree with you) if it comes up for repeal before 2014 rather than when it was up for a vote in the first place. But yes, I am willing to bet that the average retiree not only knows of the drug donut thing, but doesn't care
    Doesn't care? Do you know what one of the largest complaints about Medicare that the elderly had was? You just argued that arguably the biggest gripe of the largest voting blocs in the country had suddenly doesn't care about it. Try think about that for a moment will ya? It's like saying that all the pro-weed people suddenly stop caring about weed.

    because it's one small provision in an otherwise immense bill, and the one that is least likely to be done away with anyways. It's more likely that they'll repeal it except for that and the pre-existing conditions thing, and maybe the 26-year-old mandate.
    Possibly, it would be interesting to see what the GOP has in its place. The "bill" and I use that term loosely they offered was little more then horse ****.
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This is incorrect. What you see is disdain for ignorant voters. A democracy is only as good as those who vote. And American voters are not the most intelligent or informed. The fact that our two parties are locked between not cutting and no revenue raising is sign of that. Not to mention a majority of voters haven't realized that a third party is bad, badly needed.

    Please show how this will benefit the country.

    Tell me how those three things I mentioned will go down with voters. And then tell me how easy it will be to repeal when the elderly, uninsured and everyone 24-26 abandons the GOP. You know why the GOP hasn't seriously gone after social security and medicare? Because of the elderly. Fixing those two would put us back on the path to solvency rather then bull**** talk about immaterial pork. Tiny percentage jumps in either do far more damage then pork spending does. If the GOP actually gave a **** about fiscal conservatism, they'd fix SS and MC. But they won't because it will cost them huge number of votes.

    No one said that those things could not be part of the replacment plan.

    Doesn't care? Do you know what one of the largest complaints about Medicare that the elderly had was? :2wave: You just argued that arguably the biggest gripe of the largest voting blocs in the country had suddenly doesn't care about it. Try think about that for a moment will ya? It's like saying that all the pro-weed people suddenly stop caring about weed.

    Link to support this claim?

    Possibly, it would be interesting to see what the GOP has in its place. The "bill" and I use that term loosely they offered was little more then horse ****.
    Calling something names only shows that, you personally, don't agree with it, doesn't show that you are correct.
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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Ah, the far-rightie fantasy world were the speaker of the house has evil darth vader-like powers and can control the CBO...

    Of course, when the CBO comes back with a report that supports their world view, they post it, quote it like crazy...
    CBO has to score what they are given, if I wrote a bill and claimed that revenues from our national unicorn farm would rise 500% and not raise any taxes, they would have to score it that way. Still doesn't make it add up, here in the real world.

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    Re: Boehner: GOP Will Repeal Health Care Law

    Why is everyone still calling this a heathcare bill? It is a law now....a freaking LAW. What the Republican majority should do is merely defund it.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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