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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
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    So you have not read the law?
    It does matter what is in the law as written. Spin away.
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    I have read the law. The issue was not what the law stated in total. The issue was, again, what a certain term in the law meant.

    Try reading.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So you're saying that this law is measured because of one opinion piece in a decidedly conservative-leaning newspaper?
    No, I said one term in the law was defined by one author (an immigration law writer) in a paper.

    And you don't have an agenda here.
    No, I don't have an agenda here except to discuss the topic. It would be nice if you did the same.

    And I'll note that in the opinion piece you quote, he never actually defines what "lawful contact" means.
    And I'll note you can't read either. Which opinion piece did I quote, directly? Please share this with me.


    Indeed, it says this directly:

    "The non-custodial context refers generally to any incidental interaction between a police officer and an individual — including those initiated by the individual. A police officer does not need suspicion in order to ask a person a question, but the person is not required to answer and the officer has no lawful authority to detain a person, even fleetingly, absent "reasonable suspicion."
    By all means, YOUR article may say that. Now try reading what I quoted and get back to me.

    So, this means that an officer can harass a citizen through incidental contact if, after that legal incidental contact, he suspects them of being illegal.
    OK, so now who hasn't actually read the law?

    How's that different from what I'm proposing?
    I didn't make a call on what you were proposing in that regard. I made a comment about the idiotic association ebtween that and Nazis.

    Legal contact. Guy walking down the street nods at an officer. Officer thinks he might be illegal. He stops him and asks him for proof of citizenship.
    That's not lawful contact which is what the law actually stated.

    What you're posting to prove that this law is "measured" actually states that an officer can ask anyone he "reasonably suspects" of being illegal to prove that they're a citizen.
    I am ok with that, being an American citizen and all.

    How can you not see how wrong that is?
    How can you see it as wrong? I have no problem with all reasonable lattitude being given to an officer of the law to enforce the law. The Arizona law does just that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    That's not lawful contact which is what the law actually stated.
    Straight, simple question: Where is the term "lawful contact" defined?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I always thought the inability to speak English would have been the first clue that someone was illegal. I have no idea why the left jumps to race.
    How is not being able to speak English a first to clue to being here illegal? Have you taken a stroll down Harlem lately? Tons of hispanics who are here legally and yet can't speak English.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How is not being able to speak English a first to clue to being here illegal? Have you taken a stroll down Harlem lately? Tons of hispanics who are here legally and yet can't speak English.



    You mean washington heights, spanish harlem (el barrio) right?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    You mean washington heights, spanish harlem right?
    Mostly Spanish Harlem



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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Straight, simple question: Where is the term "lawful contact" defined?
    Straight, simple answer: It's not defined within the law. That does not mean it isn't legal terminology.

    Where is "illegal immigrant" defined in the law? What is the definition of "is"?

    I'm still gonna take the immigration attorney's stance over your admitted ignorance on the subject.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Straight, simple question: Where is the term "lawful contact" defined?
    You don't know what "lawful contact" means? I'll give you some examples...

    Lawful contact: A police officer pulls over a person for speeding.

    Unlawful contact: A police officer stops a person of Hispanic appearance because they look Hispanic, demands identification, and arrests them when they are unable to produce it.

    It's that whole "Fourth Amendment" thing.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    I'll more specifically define "lawful contact" for those of you who are still confused.

    Lawful - allowed or permitted by law; not contrary to law.

    Contact - the act or state of touching; a touching or meeting, as of two things or people; immediate proximity or association.


    Does that help?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The problem with that Cap'n is that so do a lot of US citizens. Its not ok to trample on the rights of citizens in a fishing expedition to try to find the undocumented.
    What rights are being trampled on? You have a right to refuse to show your identification to a law enforcement officer if you are pulled over for an observed offense?
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