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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And the Nazis saw no problem with stopping citizens to ask them for their citizenship papers.
    While Nazis may have been egregious in their treatment of Jews and other "undesirables", not every policy enforced by the Nazis was a bad policy nor was it even of Nazi origin.

    It's not like Nazis were the first and only people to enforce immigration laws.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And the Nazis saw no problem with stopping citizens to ask them for their citizenship papers.

    Wow. That really shows how little you know on this topic. Thats the most ignorant statement made in quite awhile.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Wow. That really shows how little you know on this topic. Thats the most ignorant statement made in quite awhile.
    It's expected, Jallman lives in CA.
    But I agree, pretty lame statement.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think it's a cloudier version of the term "offensive contact" which, don't quote me though, means you have to have made contact with the officer because of some offending action like breaking a crime or suspicion.

    EDIT: Actually, I found the definition from Kris Kobach at the Washington Times. He states that:


    "That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he's violated some other law," says Kris Kobach ...
    Says Kris Kobach. What does he base that on? What law? Where? It's nowhere in the bill and I couldn't find it in Arizona state law.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Says Kris Kobach. What does he base that on? What law? Where? It's nowhere in the bill and I couldn't find it in Arizona state law.
    That doesn't mean it's not a legal principle.

    And I am gonna go with an informed writer for a prestigious newspaper over your admitted ignorance on the matter. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That doesn't mean it's not a legal principle.

    And I am gonna go with an informed writer for a prestigious newspaper over your admitted ignorance on the matter. Just sayin'.
    So you didn't pull the law as posted on the az gov site and read it and are going by what papers report Would it not be better to read the law and come to your own opinion rather than rely on someone else?

    I resent you relate this law to the Nazi tactics with no basis other than your opinion.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    So you didn't pull the law as posted on the az gov site and read it and are going by what papers report
    If you would take just a moment and go back and actually read the exchange between Deuce and myself, you might notice that whether the term "lawful contact" was in the law or not was not a question. The question was what "lawful contact" actually means. Now it's my turn to express utter disgust at your lack of comprehension with the face palm smiley. Enjoy.



    Would it not be better to read the law and come to your own opinion rather than rely on someone else?
    Again, the law in its entirety was not the issue here. Go back and read again.

    I resent you relate this law to the Nazi tactics with no basis other than your opinion.
    Oh dear god. Do you ever tire of putting your foot in your mouth.

    Go back and read who actually related this law to Nazi tactics and then get back to me. If it's necessary, have someone else read and explain to you what just happened here.

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    So you have not read the law?
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    If you would take just a moment and go back and actually read the exchange between Deuce and myself, you might notice that whether the term "lawful contact" was in the law or not was not a question. The question was what "lawful contact" actually means. Now it's my turn to express utter disgust at your lack of comprehension with the face palm smiley. Enjoy.





    Again, the law in its entirety was not the issue here. Go back and read again.



    Oh dear god. Do you ever tire of putting your foot in your mouth.

    Go back and read who actually related this law to Nazi tactics and then get back to me. If it's necessary, have someone else read and explain to you what just happened here.
    So you're saying that this law is measured because of one opinion piece in a decidedly conservative-leaning newspaper?

    And you don't have an agenda here.

    And I'll note that in the opinion piece you quote, he never actually defines what "lawful contact" means.

    Indeed, it says this directly:

    "The non-custodial context refers generally to any incidental interaction between a police officer and an individual — including those initiated by the individual. A police officer does not need suspicion in order to ask a person a question, but the person is not required to answer and the officer has no lawful authority to detain a person, even fleetingly, absent "reasonable suspicion."

    So, this means that an officer can harass a citizen through incidental contact if, after that legal incidental contact, he suspects them of being illegal.

    How's that different from what I'm proposing?

    Legal contact. Guy walking down the street nods at an officer. Officer thinks he might be illegal. He stops him and asks him for proof of citizenship.

    What you're posting to prove that this law is "measured" actually states that an officer can ask anyone he "reasonably suspects" of being illegal to prove that they're a citizen.

    How can you not see how wrong that is?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    My emphasis.

    Seems like an improvement; but, is it enough?
    I always thought the inability to speak English would have been the first clue that someone was illegal. I have no idea why the left jumps to race.

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