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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    This law is not an expansion of government. It's government enforcing existing laws.

    But please, don't let that stop you from spewing more of the typical liberal bull**** we've all come to expect from you all.
    Oh please. If it were as you claim...there would be no need for a new law.
    This is a huge effort to expand government....and your spewing of the typical right-wing bull**** is not gonna change it from what it is.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by rogerredy View Post
    If you understood what a conservative was, you'd know that they are strong believers in the rule of law. The AZ is a strengthening of local laws affirming a federal one.

    Claiming that this is an expansion of government is an example of having not read the legislation.
    You are right, however, due to the influx of birthers, truthers, Limbaugnuts and Coulterism's, the label "conservative" has been bastardized in the worst manner and nobody of reasonable mind would want to be associated with the modern day definition, as percieved by most of society.

    Funny, that the, I would say, 12% of conservative whacko's, on the rightwing lunatixc fringe, somehow end up defining the conservative label while the, I would say, 12% of the liberal whacko's out on the leftwing fringe are simply laughed at.

    Wonder why that is?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's fine....but just don't try to claim that you are for "small government".

    That's the difference between Barry Goldwater true "Conservatives" and the people who like to use the label "conservative" today. Goldwater and his crew truly believed in small government. Todays "Conservative" is a champion of big brother big government.

    But I am for small government, on the Federal level.

    The biggest problem with the fed. is that one size does not fit all. They have absolutely no idea of the problems and concerns of my part of the country, yet they keep making laws that directly affect the lives and livelihoods of people here.

    If the fed would stick with the powers enumerated in the Constitution and let the States deal with all of the local problems our budgets would be balanced, there wouldn't be a deficit, and we wouldn't have military bases all over the planet. If the States could deal with local issues the laws would make sense on a local level.

    That's why the Constitution has Article I, section 8

    Section 8 - Powers of Congress

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
    That's it. those are the sole enumerated powers of the federal government.... everything else is the business of the States.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    But I am for small government, on the Federal level.
    LOL....so that's the definition of a "conservative" of today.


    "We want a small Federal Government but welcome the Big Brother state government into our lives as much as possible."
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....so that's the definition of a "conservative" of today.


    "We want a small Federal Government but welcome the Big Brother state government into our lives as much as possible."
    Without the mandate from the fed., we'd have a much smaller state gov. than we presently have.

    DD... grow up.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Without the mandate from the fed., we'd have a much smaller state gov. than we presently have.

    DD... grow up.
    Hey...you are the one who said it not me.....

    I'm just pointing about the absurdity in the claim by many on your side of the aisle that you believe in small government.

    THAT couldn't be farther from the truth and this new Arizona law is just another example of that.

    Most so-called "conservatives" of today....haven't seen an arm of the government that they don't love to embrace.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hey...you are the one who said it not me.....

    I'm just pointing about the absurdity in the claim by many on your side of the aisle that you believe in small government.

    THAT couldn't be farther from the truth and this new Arizona law is just another example of that.

    Most so-called "conservatives" of today....haven't seen an arm of the government that they don't love to embrace.
    No, you are highlighting your own liberal talking point blinders.

    Carry on, I'd never stop an adversary when they are committing suicide.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    It doesn't matter what they change, the left will still oppose it and cry "racism"... it's just what they do.
    Agreed!
    Ironically... the mexicans are the racists. Who is stepping on WHO???

    I guess they wont mind if i break into their house and steal ****. If they get mad at me.... I shall call them a RACIST!!!
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh please. If it were as you claim...there would be no need for a new law.
    This is a huge effort to expand government....and your spewing of the typical right-wing bull**** is not gonna change it from what it is.

    Would you care to explain exactly how this expands govt?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The bill use to say that race could not be used "solely" as the basis for the suspicion that someone might be illegal. So, Cochise is correct, the bill not only explicitly mentioned race but explicitly said it could be part of the suspicion. At least that egregious legalization of racial profiling has now been removed.
    maybe a draft, but not the final that went for signature nor the changes that are being forwarded.
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