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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This law was definitely made against a specific ethnicity though, you can't deny that. How many white people will be stopped and questioned? Doubtful many at all. Justice may be "blind", but the government and the law is not.
    Yes, the majority of illegals are Mexicans (unfortunately) - and here you are holding a grudge against the WRONG people.

    If a lot of innocent people will be scorned, scrutinized and frustrated it's not the policeman's fault, it's the fault of all the people who broke the law and committed the wrong.

    When I went to buy cold meds for myself and my kids and I was told I could only buy ONE item instead of the two I picked out and I had to give my ID and personal info so it could be jotted down on a list - I didn't get mad at the pharmacist or even the lawmakers who made the ridiculous measure.
    I got pissed at the druggies who CAUSED the foul situation to begin with.

    The entire week - when my kids had meds and I didn't - and I developed and sinus infection - I was still pissed at the druggies and NOT the pharmacist or the lawmakers.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Perhaps in an ideal world you are correct. However, in application it isn't the case.
    I will say that Arizona did take a step in the right direction when they modified the law. It still isn't a good law though and there are better ways at addressing the immigration issue, however, politicians don't want to REALLY address the problem, they prefer these feel-good soundbite laws.
    OK, so how would you address it?

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This law was definitely made against a specific ethnicity though, you can't deny that. How many white people will be stopped and questioned? Doubtful many at all. Justice may be "blind", but the government and the law is not.
    Does Arizona have a serious problem with white illegal aliens? And again, no one is going to just get stopped and questioned. All the law does is permit an immigration status check during the course of other lawful contact with a suspect.

    I'm ok with that.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    OK, so how would you address it?
    You have to eliminate the economic base that is drawing them here.
    You do so by cracking down on the companies that are employing them for below market wages.
    You prosecute the companies that are employing them.
    Once that dries up, no jobs....means less people coming seeking work.

    Of course, corporate America doesn't want this to happen because they like the cheap labor. The legislators that are tied to the corporations aren't going to do it, because they want to please the corporations.

    That's a start. However, the solution is definitely much more difficult.
    How do you deal with the millions of people who are already here. How do you deal with families where some of the children are US Citizens?
    How do you deal with people that were brought over here by their parents and are now in their 20's-30's and have lived in the United States their entire lives?
    These are the questions that "amnesty" deals with and gets most people riled up.
    I think there has to be some form of Amnesty. Not a blanket Amnesty program for everyone here, but a selective Amnesty program which isn't easy.

    We also have to address the issue with corruption on both sides of the border. The answer isn't "Wait in line", because common folk aren't even given a place in that line. Bribes and corruption ensure that those getting the immigration slots are those that are financially able to secure it. As long as there is no avenue for people to immigrate, they will do so illegally especially if they are desperate enough to try to make a better life for themselves and their children.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Perhaps in an ideal world you are correct. However, in application it isn't the case.
    I will say that Arizona did take a step in the right direction when they modified the law. It still isn't a good law though and there are better ways at addressing the immigration issue, however, politicians don't want to REALLY address the problem, they prefer these feel-good soundbite laws.
    Too bad you are in a small minority.

    May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Almost three-quarters of Americans support a provision of a new Arizona immigration law that requires people to produce documents verifying they are in the U.S. legally, a survey said.

    About 73 percent of those polled by the Washington-based Pew Research Center for the People & the Press said they approve of the plan, while 23 percent said they disapproved, according to the survey released today. About 67 percent said they agree with letting police detain anyone who can’t verify their legal status, compared with 29 percent who disapproved.
    Arizona Immigration Law Backed by Most Americans, Survey Finds - BusinessWeek

    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You have to eliminate the economic base that is drawing them here.
    You do so by cracking down on the companies that are employing them for below market wages.
    You prosecute the companies that are employing them.
    Once that dries up, no jobs....means less people coming seeking work.

    Of course, corporate America doesn't want this to happen because they like the cheap labor. The legislators that are tied to the corporations aren't going to do it, because they want to please the corporations.

    That's a start. However, the solution is definitely much more difficult.
    How do you deal with the millions of people who are already here. How do you deal with families where some of the children are US Citizens?
    How do you deal with people that were brought over here by their parents and are now in their 20's-30's and have lived in the United States their entire lives?
    These are the questions that "amnesty" deals with and gets most people riled up.
    I think there has to be some form of Amnesty. Not a blanket Amnesty program for everyone here, but a selective Amnesty program which isn't easy.

    We also have to address the issue with corruption on both sides of the border. The answer isn't "Wait in line", because common folk aren't even given a place in that line. Bribes and corruption ensure that those getting the immigration slots are those that are financially able to secure it. As long as there is no avenue for people to immigrate, they will do so illegally especially if they are desperate enough to try to make a better life for themselves and their children.
    Fair enough. We would probably deal with it the same way except that I am a bit more draconian about it.

    Also, I don't think it's big corporations hiring illegals. I think it's likely smaller businesses and farm operations hiring them.

    I would see businesses that do hire illegals fined into bankruptcy along with jail time for knowingly violating the law. Also, I don't care about families with half the children being US citizens and the other half not. They may take their children with them upon deportation or leave them behind for adoption. The choice is rests with them but it needs to be made on the spot. They are criminals; at least we are giving them the luxury of keeping their families together rather than carting them off to prison.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How do you deal with families where some of the children are US Citizens?
    As far as I know there is no law that says illegals can not take their anchor babies with them. So illegals have three choices-

    1.leave the child to be raised with a relative or friend who is here legally.
    2.give the child up for adoption, either the state or a nice married couple can raise that child.
    3.take the child with them and once the child if of legal age he or she can return to US.


    How do you deal with people that were brought over here by their parents and are now in their 20's-30's and have lived in the United States their entire lives?
    Deport them if caught. If they are least 24 years old they should at least be an amnesty citizen due to Kennedy,Reagan and other pro-illegals in office who gave them in amnesty(Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986) in exchange for hollow promises of enforcement. And if they really been here most of there lives then that means that they already had plenty of time to get themselves legalized and go through the proper channels.


    We also have to address the issue with corruption on both sides of the border. The answer isn't "Wait in line", because common folk aren't even given a place in that line. Bribes and corruption ensure that those getting the immigration slots are those that are financially able to secure it. As long as there is no avenue for people to immigrate, they will do so illegally especially if they are desperate enough to try to make a better life for themselves and their children.
    As long as there is no avenue for illegals to work here,live here,mooch off tax payers or send the kids to school then illegals will leave to places that does mind illegal immigration.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Being in the "minority" is not necessarily a bad thing, nor does it mean that being in the "majority" is right.

    History is full of atrocities that the "majority" of the people "believed in" at the time.
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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Being in the "minority" is not necessarily a bad thing, nor does it mean that being in the "majority" is right.

    History is full of atrocities that the "majority" of the people "believed in" at the time.
    73 percent. That's not a majority, that's a landslide.

    And this isn't an "atrocity", so save the drama.

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    Re: Arizona lawmakers modify immigration law

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Does Arizona have a serious problem with white illegal aliens? And again, no one is going to just get stopped and questioned. All the law does is permit an immigration status check during the course of other lawful contact with a suspect.

    I'm ok with that.
    A lot of "Hispanic" people are white people who speak Spanish.
    Just saying.
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