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Arizona Legislature Passes Bill Banning Ethnic Studies Programs

texmaster said:
Really? Where did I do that?

The only thing I have said is that it is racist to believe all Hispanics are pro illegal immigration.
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You've a history of advancing the belief that affirmative action and entitlement programs that favor minorities are reverse racism. I wasn't referring to this thread specifically, although neither were you since you were descibing a perceived general quality of liberals.
 
Morality Games said:
You've a history of advancing the belief that affirmative action and entitlement programs that favor minorities are reverse racism.
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That is a lie and I challenge you to provide the direct quote where I ever said that.
 
texmaster said:
Really? Where did I do that?

The only thing I have said is that it is racist to believe all Hispanics are pro illegal immigration.
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texmaster said:
That is a lie and I challenge you to provide the direct quote where I ever said that.
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Ah. So you don't believe that affirmative action and entitlement programs that advantage minorities are racism? That a more qualified white person losing a job to a less qualified black person isn't racist?

If so, I will retract my statement and carefully record this for use in future debates.
 
Morality Games said:
Ah. So you don't believe that affirmative action and entitlement programs that advantage minorities are racism? That a more qualified white person losing a job to a less qualified black person isn't racist?

If so, I will retract my statement.
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No no. You don't get to put requirements on your retraction. You made an accusation and I am demanding you to provide the quote where I said "affirmative programs are reverse racism". so go ahead.

I'll wait.

Either admit you were talking our of your ass or provide the quote.
 
texmaster said:
No no. You don't get to put requirmetns on your retraction. You made an accusation and I am demanding you to provide the quote where I said "affirmative programs are reverse racism". so go ahead.

I'll wait.
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Your unwillingness to answer the question suggests you believe it is racism.

Since you made the accusations first, I want you to compile a catalogue of threads of at least ten liberals on this site advancing arguments of which a fundamental precept is the idea conservatives in general are racists. Should be easy, since it is our auto-pilot argument. Then I will undergo a similar effort.
 
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Morality Games said:
Your unwillingness to answer the question suggests you believe it is racism.
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Your inability to quote me after accusing me of saying something shows you can't support your own claims.

Since you made the accusations first, I want you to compile a catalogue of threads of at least ten liberals on this site advancing arguments of which a fundamental precept is the idea conservatives in general are racists. Should be easy, since it is our auto-pilot argument. Then I will undergo a similar effort.
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Continuing to lie won't get you out of this. You made the first accusation. Either support it with a quote or retract it.
 
Grim17 said:
My math says different. I said Arizona (25+ years) and Alabama (3 years), verses 13 years in Maryland.

Maybe they teach math different where you're from? :roll:
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Yeah, they teach it correctly where I'm from. I'm not sure what they do where you come from, though. :2razz:

First, if we make racism in Alabama = X and racism in Maryland = Y We get:

Y = 3X

If X = 1, then Y = 3.

So if we break it down to racism per year in each location, we get:

Alabama = 1/3 (or about 0.33 racism units per year)

Maryland = 3/13 (or about 0.23 racism units per year)

0.23 < 0.33 so Alabama would be "slightly more racist" as I said. ;)

Doing the same for Arizona (This time racism in Arizona = X):

We still have Y = 3X which means that if X = 1, Y = 3

Racism per year:

Maryland is still 3/13 or 0.23

Arizona is 1/25 or .04

.23/0.04 = 5.75 or as I put it "It would also mean that Arizona would be about 6 times less racist than Maryland."


More importantly, I was having fun with your made-up numbers.
 
Gill said:
For your continuing education....and my last word on the subject.

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Do you actually live in the U.S. ????????
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Jesus Christ, it's on our southern border. I understand your need to grasp at any points you can but, really... According to your map there are NO states in the north, south or east. While you are technically correct, so am I. States are commonly referred to as being in the north and south. :doh
*For the anal retentive, that would be north "or" south. :)
 
texmaster said:
Are you intentionally misreading the law?


The new bill would make it illegal for a school district to teach any courses that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, promote resentment of a particular race or class of people, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals."
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I agree with Ikari that schools should teach courses that promote the overthrow of the government. Race\ethnic based classes and racist classes that teach race resentment and solidarity should be banned.
 
Tucker Case said:
Yeah, they teach it correctly where I'm from. I'm not sure what they do where you come from, though. :2razz:

First, if we make racism in Alabama = X and racism in Maryland = Y We get:

Y = 3X

If X = 1, then Y = 3.

So if we break it down to racism per year in each location, we get:

Alabama = 1/3 (or about 0.33 racism units per year)

Maryland = 3/13 (or about 0.23 racism units per year)

0.23 < 0.33 so Alabama would be "slightly more racist" as I said. ;)

Doing the same for Arizona (This time racism in Arizona = X):

We still have Y = 3X which means that if X = 1, Y = 3

Racism per year:

Maryland is still 3/13 or 0.23

Arizona is 1/25 or .04

.23/0.04 = 5.75 or as I put it "It would also mean that Arizona would be about 6 times less racist than Maryland."


More importantly, I was having fun with your made-up numbers.
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Nerd Alert! :alert
 
Your inability to quote me after accusing me of saying something shows you can't support your own claims.
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That's a repetition of what you already said.

Continuing to lie won't get you out of this. You made the first accusation. Either support it with a quote or retract it.
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This was written by you on the third page.

Exactly. Its amazing so many liberals in here can't grasp the basic concept and predictably fall back on:

omg racist! omg bigoted!

Its far left liberal auto pilot for debating.
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My comment is on the fifth or sixth. So you just lied.

Now support your accusation. Should be easy. It's our autopilot argument and there have been far more than ten liberal posters on this site in its history.
 
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ADK_Forever said:
Jesus Christ, it's on our southern border. I understand your need to grasp at any points you can but, really... According to your map there are NO states in the north, south or east. While you are technically correct, so am I. States are commonly referred to as being in the north and south. :doh
*For the anal retentive, that would be north "or" south. :)
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Just point out that Gill also failed at his own rules. He said the most racist people he has known were northerners AND that they were from Chicago.

But according to his own map, they are Midwesterners, not northerners.

Which means that, apparently, I'm the only one who ever actually took a geography class. ;)
 
Tucker Case said:
Just point out that Gill also failed at his own rules. He said the most racist people he has known were northerners AND that they were from Chicago.

But according to his own map, they are Midwesterners, not northerners.

Which means that, apparently, I'm the only one who ever actually took a geography class. ;)
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Chicago is south of Canada, you guys are very racist. :2razz:
 
Morality Games said:
That's a repetition of what you already said.
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Because you still refuse to admit you can't provide a quote to support your accusation.

This was written by you on the third page.
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And not written to you or about you. As I said, you started the accusations between us and again, you can't support your claim and you aren't man enough to admit you can't.

Pretty pathetic dude.

My comment is on the fifth or sixth. So you just lied.
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Exactly how did I lie? Care to back that bull**** up?

Now support your accusation. Should be easy. It's our autopilot argument and there have been far more than ten liberal posters on this site in its history.
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So when you are faced with lying about someone your response instead of taking responsibility you go on the attack? This is laughable.

Look at what I said.

Exactly. Its amazing so many liberals in here can't grasp the basic concept and predictably fall back on:

omg racist! omg bigoted!

Its far left liberal auto pilot for debating.

#1 I said liberals in here: ie this thread

#2 I said far left not all on the left blowing away your pathetic theory

And in this thread to support my accusation.

ADK_Forever said:
Man, Arizona is just exposing its ignorance and bigotry more and more lately.

It's backwards laws like this that contribute to people thinking all of the south is backwards. Arizona should vote those imbeciles out of office asap! November should be very interesting.
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See thats how you support your claims.


Now man up and admit you accused me of something you can't provide a quote for.
 
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texmaster said:
Still separating the overall points and cherry picking. Nice.


Try reading the actual law:

A school district or charter school in this state shall not include in its program of instruction any courses or classes that either:

1. Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnice group

2. Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.

It does not prohibit or restrict:
Courses or classes for native American pupils that are required to comply with federal law.

2. The grouping of pupils according to academic performance, including capability int he English language that may result in a disparate impact by ethnicity.

Next time, read the law not a summary of it.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281p.pdf
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Prohibits a school district or charter school from including in its program of instruction any courses or classes that:

Ø Promote the overthrow of the United States government.

Ø Promote resentment toward a race or class of people.

Ø Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group.

Ø Advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals.
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You are aware of course that both of these pretty much the same thing right?
 
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So when you are faced with lying about someone your response instead of taking responsibliity you go on the attack? That is laughable.
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Why would that be laughable? If I'm going to do something annoying, you will share in the annoyance.

#1 I said liberals in here: ie this thread

#2 I said far left not all on the left blowing away your pathetic theory

And in this thread to support my accusation.
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#1 is irrelevant since you were describing a general quality of the American left-wing, not a specific person in this thread.

Define far left. Since most liberals espouse opinions that would be labeled 'far left' by conservatives, it should still be relatively common. Common enough for you to find ten people.
 
texmaster said:
Sarge! We have another one dodging the argument! Commence rundown with the facts!


Let me know when you've got the cognitive ability to actually read the law.

I've already provided it for you.
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Your response has nothing to do with my comment on your strawman.
 
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megaprogman said:
Yeah and my summary is saying the same thing ...

But if you wish to avoid discussion, you can always just say so.
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No you're right, I apologize.

But why would you support teaching that is designed for a particular ethnic group? Why wouldn't it be ethnic history that all people can learn and not written for a group not about it?
 
megaprogman said:
Your response has nothing to do with my comment on your strawman.
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You are taking two separate points and trying to combine them.


there is a big difference between teaching others about a culture and writing the teachings for one culture.
 
texmaster said:
No you're right, I apologize.

But why would you support teaching that is designed for a particular ethnic group? Why wouldn't it be ethnic history that all people can learn and not written for a group not about it?
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I am not necessarily for it or against it, but I fail to see how learning about other cultures would harm the country or the state of Arizona.
 
texmaster said:
You are taking two separate points and trying to combine them.

there is a big difference between teaching others about a culture and writing the teachings for one culture.
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I agree, but I guess I am asking how there can be a legal distinction.
 
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