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US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

It's still a far cry from being, "the worst oil spill disaster in history".

Not a far cry at all. If they can't seal the leak in a few short weeks it will be the worst US spill in history. You see this is an ongoing thing and it's going to effect a huge area..
And it does effect me for I have been searching for retirement property on the Florida Gulf coast. This spill has the potential to ruin more shoreline, fisheries and wildlife than the Exxon Valdez. So in those terms it will be worse. It's not about quantity of the spill, but the damage it causes.

http://www.dailytech.com/Gulf+Oil+S...tory+Raises+Call+For+Nuclear/article18273.htm
The spill is the worst oil disaster in the gulf since the blowout and oil spill of the Ixtoc I in 1979. It is estimated that within 50 days it will pass the worst oil spill in U.S. history — the 11 million gallons that leaked from the grounded tanker Exxon Valdez in Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989. And the relief valve may not be finished for as long 90 days -- roughly three months.
 
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Not a far cry at all. If they can't seal the leak in a few short weeks it will be the worst US spill in history. You see this is an ongoing thing and it's going to effect a huge area..
And it does effect me for I have been searching for retirement property on the Florida Gulf coast. This spill has the potential to ruin more shoreline, fisheries and wildlife than the Exxon Valdez. So in those terms it will be worse. It's not about quantity of the spill, but the damage it causes.

DailyTech - Gulf Oil Spill Likely to be Worst Spill in U.S. History, Raises Call For Nuclear
The spill is the worst oil disaster in the gulf since the blowout and oil spill of the Ixtoc I in 1979. It is estimated that within 50 days it will pass the worst oil spill in U.S. history — the 11 million gallons that leaked from the grounded tanker Exxon Valdez in Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989. And the relief valve may not be finished for as long 90 days -- roughly three months.



Still 8 million gallons to go. With a little luck, it'll be cranked off by dark tomorrow, much to your disappointment, I'm sure. Won't be anymore drama for you to exploit.
 
Not a far cry at all. If they can't seal the leak in a few short weeks it will be the worst US spill in history. You see this is an ongoing thing and it's going to effect a huge area..
And it does effect me for I have been searching for retirement property on the Florida Gulf coast. This spill has the potential to ruin more shoreline, fisheries and wildlife than the Exxon Valdez. So in those terms it will be worse. It's not about quantity of the spill, but the damage it causes.

DailyTech - Gulf Oil Spill Likely to be Worst Spill in U.S. History, Raises Call For Nuclear
The spill is the worst oil disaster in the gulf since the blowout and oil spill of the Ixtoc I in 1979. It is estimated that within 50 days it will pass the worst oil spill in U.S. history — the 11 million gallons that leaked from the grounded tanker Exxon Valdez in Alaska's Prince William Sound in 1989. And the relief valve may not be finished for as long 90 days -- roughly three months.

BTW, it's a relief well not a relief valve. I hate when media types start acting like they actually know something.
 
BTW, it's a relief well not a relief valve. I hate when media types start acting like they actually know something.

I know what it is. It still doesn't change that it may take 90 days to complete. The attempt last night didn't work by the way. It's too cold down there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/08/ice-crystals-cause-problems-inside-oil-box/

GULF OF MEXICO -- The relief well has reached 8,788 feet. They are currently cementing the third of seven casings on the relief well, which is the best hope for stopping the oil spill completely. The well needs to reach a depth of 18,000 feet to cut off the flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

BP to Drill Second Relief Well -- British Petroleum intends to drill two wells designed to intersect the original wellbore above the oil reservoir. This will allow heavy fluid to be pumped into the well which will stop the flow of oil from the reservoir. Cement will then be pumped down to permanently seal the well.

BP needs to cement 7 casings into place before the relief well can intersect with the main drill pipe which is pouring approximately 5,000 barrels of oil per day into the ocean. They have completed 3 casings, with 4 remaining. They have reached a drill depth of just below 10,000 feet, with another 8,000 feet remaining. At about 12,000 feet they will begin angling toward the center of the damaged oil pipe.

BP has estimated that the project will require 90 days to complete the first relief well.

Current Progress: 28" Casing String Set and Cemented in Place, Depth Reached: 8,788' May 7th, Currently Running 22" Casing - 12:00 May 7th.

This will be the worst evironmental disaster in US history. Even though some seem to be in denial. Drill baby drill.
 
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I know what it is. It still doesn't change that it may take 90 days to complete. The attempt last night didn't work by the way. It's too cold down there.
FOXNews.com - Ice Crystals Cause Problems Inside Oil Box

GULF OF MEXICO -- The relief well has reached 8,788 feet. They are currently cementing the third of seven casings on the relief well, which is the best hope for stopping the oil spill completely. The well needs to reach a depth of 18,000 feet to cut off the flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

BP to Drill Second Relief Well -- British Petroleum intends to drill two wells designed to intersect the original wellbore above the oil reservoir. This will allow heavy fluid to be pumped into the well which will stop the flow of oil from the reservoir. Cement will then be pumped down to permanently seal the well.

BP needs to cement 7 casings into place before the relief well can intersect with the main drill pipe which is pouring approximately 5,000 barrels of oil per day into the ocean. They have completed 3 casings, with 4 remaining. They have reached a drill depth of just below 10,000 feet, with another 8,000 feet remaining. At about 12,000 feet they will begin angling toward the center of the damaged oil pipe.

BP has estimated that the project will require 90 days to complete the first relief well.

Current Progress: 28" Casing String Set and Cemented in Place, Depth Reached: 8,788' May 7th, Currently Running 22" Casing - 12:00 May 7th.


And how deep is the existing well?


This will be the worst evironmental disaster in US history. Even though some seem to be in denial. Drill baby drill.

At least we can agree on one thing. Let's get this cleaned up and get back to work. I got bills to pay.
 
At least we can agree on one thing. Let's get this cleaned up and get back to work. I got bills to pay.

So do the shrimpers and others who make their living from the Gulf waters.

Gulf oil spill: Southwest Florida's shrimp industry to be ‘devastated’ | news-press.com | The News-Press

That’s the situation Southwest Florida’s commercial shrimpers found themselves in Monday as an oil slick spread out into the Gulf of Mexico — possibly headed this way.

But even if it doesn’t make it here, there are few good options because this is the time of year when they follow the shrimp north along the Gulf coast and ultimately to Texas.

That won’t happen this year, said Henry Gore, 49, of Fort Myers Beach, a fishing captain for 20 years.

“We start going over in a few weeks and start fishing in Louisiana,” he said.

This year, Gore said, “I’m probably going to go right on out here off Fort Myers one more time, or maybe south. I’m scared to go north right now.”

After that the shrimping on this side of the Gulf will have largely petered out and the choices become harder even if the oil doesn’t make it this far, he said.

Local boats could be forced to stay near home even as boats from elsewhere pour in to avoid the pollution to the west, Gore said. “That’s more boats catching less shrimp.”

Shrimping is big business in Florida — the state’s commercial fishermen caught 13.8 million pounds worth $2.33 a pound for a total of $28.4 million in 2008, according to the state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.

On the San Carlos Island docks, where most local shrimpers have their home port, everything appeared normal Monday as bags of shrimp were unloaded into packing houses and fishermen worked on their boats and nets.

But nobody was optimistic about the likely effects on commercial fishing.

“I think the spill’s like a hurricane,” said David Murray, captain of the shrimp boat Alley Cat. “It's going to devastate many people along the coast. We will be devastated.”

If the blowout isn’t capped soon, he said, it’s inevitable that Gulf currents eventually will carry the oil to Southwest Florida’s coast.

“We call it a washing machine,” he said. “It goes around in a circle. Of course it’ll be here.”

Harry Marx, a semi-retired commercial fisherman, recalled the widespread effects of a major spill off Mexico years ago.

“It leaked for four months,” he said. “Hotels on the beach had buckets of rags and kerosene” for patrons to wipe the oil off their feet.

Bob Jones, executive director of the Southeast Fisheries Association in Tallahassee, said it’s likely the entire Gulf will be affected and pointed to fishing grounds closer to the spill that already have been shut down.

“I think you can look at what has already occurred as a portent of what’s to come,” he said.

Jones said he hopes the cleanup effort getting under way now will provide at least some financial relief for the unemployed fishermen.

British Petroleum, the company whose oil drilling caused the spill, “should be responsible for putting all those people on their payroll for cleanup efforts,” he said.

Still, Jones said, the whole coastal economy — not just commercial fishermen — is in for some hard times.

“The charter boats, the anglers, all the people who support those industries,” he said. “The size of the thing blows your mind.”
 
Right! It's in position. Getting it in position was their chief concern. All that's left to do now, is hook a string to it and start vacc-ing oil.

Why, sure! Such a simple and easy to accomplish solution should have the problem solved in a snap of the fingers. Easy peasy!

Oh. Errr. Uh, wait a second...

The 98-tonne containment box had been the best hope to stem the flow of oil from the well.

The unprecedented plan was to lower it 5,000 ft (1,500m) by remote-controlled submersibles over the main leak and then funnel the oil by pipe to a waiting tanker on the surface.

But a build-up of crystallised gas inside the box blocked the exit at the top and the device had to be put aside on the seabed for engineers to ponder their next move. --BBC News

I know the Libs hate it, but this is going to have a happy ending.

Interesting. You're asserting that liberals are pro-ecological/economic disaster. :screwy

It takes either (a) an outrageous and intentional twisting of facts or (b) a completely and blindly partisan mind to make a claim like that. I'll leave it to others to decide for themselves which category you fall into.
 
Why, sure! Such a simple and easy to accomplish solution should have the problem solved in a snap of the fingers. Easy peasy!

Oh. Errr. Uh, wait a second...





Interesting. You're asserting that liberals are pro-ecological/economic disaster. :screwy

It takes either (a) an outrageous and intentional twisting of facts or (b) a completely and blindly partisan mind to make a claim like that. I'll leave it to others to decide for themselves which category you fall into.


I know, you're excited because the dome idea flopped. I was really hoping it would work
 
And those fools actually believe it will make a difference.:lol: We could triple our offshore drilling and it would have zero effect on the price of gasoline.

Shut down all drilling in American waters and watch what happens to the price of gas. Watch what happens to the American economy. Then see what a difference it makes.
 
Shut down all drilling in American waters and watch what happens to the price of gas. Watch what happens to the American economy. Then see what a difference it makes.

of course they'll raise the price if there's less oil, but that doesn't mean they'll lower it if there's more
 
of course they'll raise the price if there's less oil, but that doesn't mean they'll lower it if there's more

You know how redundant that statement is?...:rofl

Why give them an excuse to raise the price? Why import more oil, allowing OPEC to set the market how they wish? That would be stupid to put ourselves in such a position.
 
Shut down all drilling in American waters and watch what happens to the price of gas. Watch what happens to the American economy. Then see what a difference it makes.

Sure it will go up. Never said it wouldn't, but you could open up every square inch of US waters for drilling and it would make zero difference in the price of gas.

"The debate about offshore drilling stems from questions over how much oil potentially could be recovered from underwater fields versus the time and cost, both in dollars and environmental impact, related to that process. Common misperceptions notwithstanding, the debate does NOT stem from notions that offshore drilling could eliminate U.S. need for foreign oil (at current consumption, the U.S. uses 8 billion barrels of oil per year; conventionally recoverable oil from offshore drilling is thought to be 18 billion barrels total ever—not per year). The debate does NOT stem from notions that offshore drilling would guarantee lower fuel prices (oil is a global commodity, and U.S. production is not big enough to influence global prices)."
 
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Sure it will go up. Never said it wouldn't, but you could open up every square inch of US waters for drilling and it would make zero difference in the price of gas.

"The debate about offshore drilling stems from questions over how much oil potentially could be recovered from underwater fields versus the time and cost, both in dollars and environmental impact, related to that process. Common misperceptions notwithstanding, the debate does NOT stem from notions that offshore drilling could eliminate U.S. need for foreign oil (at current consumption, the U.S. uses 8 billion barrels of oil per year; conventionally recoverable oil from offshore drilling is thought to be 18 billion barrels total ever—not per year). The debate does NOT stem from notions that offshore drilling would guarantee lower fuel prices (oil is a global commodity, and U.S. production is not big enough to influence global prices)."


Whatever, but if we stop producing, hold onto your hat when gas prices sky rocket.
 
If the average American drives 12000 miles per year, at an average fuel economy of around 23mpg, consuming about 522 gallons of fuel at $3 per gallon, then they spend about $1,566 annually on fuel; or $130 per month.

If the price of gas goes up to $5 per gallon, then the average American will spend $2,610 annually, a difference of only $1,044, or $87 per month, for a total monthly fuel cost of $217.

If $87 brakes your budget, then the cost of fuel is not your problem. You're already poor and need a plan to get out of debt and begin accumulating wealth.

Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com

Let the price of gas go up to $5 per gallon. That, also, will be a non-issue.
 
If the average American drives 12000 miles per year, at an average fuel economy of around 23mpg, consuming about 522 gallons of fuel at $3 per gallon, then they spend about $1,566 annually on fuel; or $130 per month.

If the price of gas goes up to $5 per gallon, then the average American will spend $2,610 annually, a difference of only $1,044, or $87 per month, for a total monthly fuel cost of $217.

If $87 brakes your budget, then the cost of fuel is not your problem. You're already poor and need a plan to get out of debt and begin accumulating wealth.

Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com

Let the price of gas go up to $5 per gallon. That, also, will be a non-issue.


Let's apply the same math:

If a truck drives 3,000 miles a week, at 6 mpg, averaging a $1.50 per loaded mile and diesel is $5 per gallon. That's $2,500 in fuel each week and $4,500 in gross revenue. Subtract the fuel from the revenue and you get $2,000. So, right off the bat, half of that truck's overhead is spent in fuel. That's before tires, service, plates, tags and permits and driver pay. If he's an owner operator, he has to pay his household bills from that money. Kinda hard to accumulate wealth with those numbers. What isn't hard, is to see that some trucking companies aren't going to be in business for very long, unless there's a serious rate increase, which will mean way more than just another $87 out one's wallet each month.
 
Let's apply the same math:

If a truck drives 3,000 miles a week, at 6 mpg, averaging a $1.50 per loaded mile and diesel is $5 per gallon. That's $2,500 in fuel each week and $4,500 in gross revenue. Subtract the fuel from the revenue and you get $2,000. So, right off the bat, half of that truck's overhead is spent in fuel. That's before tires, service, plates, tags and permits and driver pay. If he's an owner operator, he has to pay his household bills from that money. Kinda hard to accumulate wealth with those numbers. What isn't hard, is to see that some trucking companies aren't going to be in business for very long, unless there's a serious rate increase, which will mean way more than just another $87 out one's wallet each month.

The average American can absorb a 4%, even a 10% increase in their food budget, for example.

Pizza and beer now cost an arm and a leg - Food Inc.- msnbc.com

So let the trucking companies charge what they have to, it's all good.
 
But, why absorb more costs, in a piss poor economy, with all manner a new taxes coming down the pipe, if we don't have to?

We shouldn't. We should support off-shore drilling and support keeping what we drill...or at least increase our terrifs, thus the statement be true that:

58% Still Support Off Shore Drilling.

a number that will only go up with the price of gasoline.

I don't think we should tolerate what we don't have to, but we went and put a liberal in office, so now we're going to have to ride out some damaging policies until we can get a Conservative administration in there to clean this crap up.
 
We shouldn't. We should support off-shore drilling and support keeping what we drill...or at least increase our terrifs, thus the statement be true that:



I don't think we should tolerate what we don't have to, but we went and put a liberal in office, so now we're going to have to ride out some damaging policies until we can get a Conservative administration in there to clean this crap up.

Not to defend these yahoo's running the show now but your alternative solution to put the foxes back into the henhouse is worthy of some debate to say the least.

We have to realize that the guys calling the shots in the oil industry are entrenched and are NOT from the same cut, as the guys at these Obama Washington galas, and those oil guys are the guys who screwed this up.

Just sayin'. To be fair and all. :roll:
 
Not to defend these yahoo's running the show now but your alternative solution to put the foxes back into the henhouse is worthy of some debate to say the least.

We have to realize that the guys calling the shots in the oil industry are entrenched and are NOT from the same cut, as the guys at these Obama Washington galas, and those oil guys are the guys who screwed this up.

Just sayin'. To be fair and all. :roll:


I trust the oil companies to keep things running smooth, before I would trust the government. BP is going to lose billions because of this spill. It only stands to reason that the folks with the most to lose, are the folks that are going to work the hardest to prevent this type of accident. But, at the end of the day, no matter who is gaurding the hend house, accidents happen.
 
We shouldn't. We should support off-shore drilling and support keeping what we drill...or at least increase our terrifs, thus the statement be true that:



I don't think we should tolerate what we don't have to, but we went and put a liberal in office, so now we're going to have to ride out some damaging policies until we can get a Conservative administration in there to clean this crap up.

Oh, because the Bush administration didn't cause any damage to our nation at all.

I'll give you Obama sucking if you'll give me that what he was trying to do was clean up Bush's mess and may not have been up to the job.

Sorry, but I still don't trust that the Republicans who caused this mess have done anything to change their ways.

It's only going to get worse again until we as an electorate show that we can surprise politicians.

I'm more than glad to give Republicans control of Congress in 2010. But the way I'd like to see it done is by EVERY district flipping. If the everyday Republicans and Democrats could hold their noses and completely flip their votes, every politician would know that we're no longer behold to party.

This would force them to stop spouting the same stupidity and actually govern. I know it's hard for you to admit (and that, too, is a major part of why our nation's politics sucks so much), but good ideas come from both sides of the aisle; and the two parties should be there to temper each other's worst instincts. Instead, all we get are each of the parties' worst instincts.

Intractability is killing us. Ohh, Utahans are so proud of themselves for kicking Bennett out. Surprise. BFD. They're just sending someone new in who isn't going to be able to do damn thing. They didn't change anything. Same party; same people. They're patting themselves on the back; but they didn't do a damn thing. Hoo-freakin'-ray.

Even if Republicans take over (and it was only four years ago that they controlled everything); there's simply going to be half the nation pissed off at them and it will simply get overturned again in a few years.

Until we actually prove to them that we can surprise them, they're not going to change.

Additionally, the same people who think government is killing them (and if they do turn over the House and the Senate, they're actually proving that government is "tyrannical" to be utterly untrue) are thrilled to let giant corporations kill them. Thus, the hatred for government not doing much about the spill; but people being totally okay with BP.

It's moronic to blame the government for this and still shop at BP. But people here are doing it.
 
I trust the oil companies to keep things running smooth, before I would trust the government. BP is going to lose billions because of this spill. It only stands to reason that the folks with the most to lose, are the folks that are going to work the hardest to prevent this type of accident. But, at the end of the day, no matter who is gaurding the hend house, accidents happen.

And you just proved the point I made in my last post.

Go buy your BP gas and cheer them on. Never mind the fact that you're little angry party is about to change the government a little bit. But nothing is going to change the oil industry as long as people like you say you trust them as they continue to spill millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

God Bless the Oil Companies of the World. They're just there to help us. But, damn people who run for office. Cause they just want my money!
 
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