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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mean Alaska and Virginia....no drilling near Florida was halted.
    You do know this oil is headed for Florida, don't you?
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You do know this oil is headed for Florida, don't you?
    So you're telling me that if Virginia were still drilling, that even more oil from the Gulf would be headed for Florida?

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So you have no idea how a working BOP prevents gas from entering the well bore?
    You're right to ignore that article. It's much easier to spout your own dream about what did or did not happen if you can say, "Oh, I didn't read that. I had no idea that a man who was actually working on the Deepwater Horizon, and witnessed BP's negligence and unsafe actions all of which are directly responsible for that explosion that killed eleven men, has stated that BP caused that explosion and possibly the worst oil spill/leak in U.S. waters in history".

    So much for that intellectual curiosity of yours for technical thangs, ehh?

    Is it really that hard for you to look at evidence and make an unbiased decision?
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It occurs to me that this explosion may have occurred even if there were no lax inspections, faulty parts, etc.

    The explosion was not the result of the faulty BOP. By the time anyone knew there was a problem which could cause an explosion on the deck, the BOP would be of no use as the methane would have already passed it.

    After the explosion the BOP should have deployed to prevent the spill, but the BOP couldn't have prevented the methane bubble from traveling up the pipe. Someone would have had to know the methane was there, have their hand on the BOP control and deploy the BOP, closing the pipe at the sea floor before any methane traveled up. Likewise, the various safeties of the machines on deck were not designed to handle that volume or pressure of methane.

    If the BOP deployed flawlessly, the rig would have still exploded and sank, only now we wouldn't have a spill.
    Given the volume and pressure of this particular methane bubble, the initial explosion itself could not have been prevented. The Deepwater's on-deck fail-safes were no designed to withstand that pressure. There would still have been a fire.

    However, the fire was relatively local in the initial moments following the flash-point. Some reports account for the crews repeated effort to engage the BOP before the decision to abandon the Deepwater was made.

    Had the BOP fully deployed (it remains partially deployed at the moment), the fire would have burned itself out long before it became a risk to the Deepwater.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    You're right to ignore that article. It's much easier to spout your own dream about what did or did not happen if you can say, "Oh, I didn't read that. I had no idea that a man who was actually working on the Deepwater Horizon, and witnessed BP's negligence and unsafe actions all of which are directly responsible for that explosion that killed eleven men, has stated that BP caused that explosion and possibly the worst oil spill/leak in U.S. waters in history".

    So much for that intellectual curiosity of yours for technical thangs, ehh?

    Is it really that hard for you to look at evidence and make an unbiased decision?
    You're article doesn't address my question.

    Your article goes on and on about this particular BOP, but I asked something different.

    I asked how just any BOP per-se would know to activate without a human telling it to.

    The answer is that a BOP itself doesn't know when to deploy. The BOP doesn't make the decision.

    The BOP is controlled by the same computer which controls most of the drilling machinery on the deck. It is this computer which directs the activities of the well-bore and drill pipe, controls the mud slurry, turn-table, and tracks progress. It is this computer which makes the automated decision to deploy the BOP, not the BOP unit at the sea floor itself.

    Had everything been working perfectly, there still would have been a fire. This is due to the methane being able to reach the deck before the computer could have detected and reacted to the problem.

    My presumption that the Deepwater would have burned and sank even if the BOP had performed perfectly was incorrect because I assumed the initial explosion was much greater then it actually was.

    Non of the information you provided was relevant to my line of inquiry.
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're article doesn't address my question.

    Your article goes on and on about this particular BOP, but I asked something different.
    Your question is hypothetical and totally ignores what this article's eye witness says happened.

    I know, it's awful when an article goes on and on and on with those pesky "facts" disproving your desired explanation.

    Had everything been working perfectly, there still would have been a fire. This is due to the methane being able to reach the deck before the computer could have detected and reacted to the problem.
    WRONG! Had you read the article or listened to the interview you would have learned that a "methane bubble" had nothing to do with the explosion. Nothing.

    My presumption that the Deepwater would have burned and sank even if the BOP had performed perfectly was incorrect because I assumed the initial explosion was much greater then it actually was.
    What's with "presuming" anything here? Several very good sources have been provided yet, you continue to go off on your own science dream "presuming" that a fictional event happened. Why is it so important to you to ignore facts as they are exposed?

    Had everything worked the way it was supposed to and had BP not taken those safety short cuts and had BP not ignored their damage to the BOP... that rig would still be out there pumping out oil.

    THAT is the point.

    Your intentional refusal to address this is enlightening in itself.
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Wow, your actually short on your Bush quota for the day....

    DRINK!

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Your question is hypothetical and totally ignores what this article's eye witness says happened.

    I know, it's awful when an article goes on and on and on with those pesky "facts" disproving your desired explanation.



    WRONG! Had you read the article or listened to the interview you would have learned that a "methane bubble" had nothing to do with the explosion. Nothing.



    What's with "presuming" anything here? Several very good sources have been provided yet, you continue to go off on your own science dream "presuming" that a fictional event happened. Why is it so important to you to ignore facts as they are exposed?

    Had everything worked the way it was supposed to and had BP not taken those safety short cuts and had BP not ignored their damage to the BOP... that rig would still be out there pumping out oil.

    THAT is the point.

    Your intentional refusal to address this is enlightening in itself.
    Where was anyone on this thread talking about the Deepwater Atlantis?

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where was anyone on this thread talking about the Deepwater Atlantis?
    Still trying to distract?

    The Atlantis was in the same interview.

    You can't see the relevance?
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Still trying to distract?

    The Atlantis was in the same interview.

    You can't see the relevance?
    Neither the report nor the interview answered my question regarding automated shut-off.

    I know you want to go on and on about BP fault and so forth, but that's not what I was asking about.

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