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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    methane bubble modern technology couldn't have foreseen
    That could be challenged. Today's technology can give us pictures as clear as an ultrasound as far formations go and our Petreoleum Engineers are very familiar with formation dangers.

    If it was a freak accident, I suppose anything could happen. But to say they didn't have a clue as to what they were drilling into is far fetched.

    But, as they say, **** happens.

    As soon as their mud return alarm went off those BOP's shoulda been closed. But wait! The BOP's are 5000 foot underwater?

    I can just hear the Driller now. "Hey Worm!" I can't close the BOP's. Put on the ride belt and I'll lower you down on the air-horse about 5k feet underwater and you crank that BOP shut! Hurry every chance you get."


    And those company men should have known exactly what they were drilling into. There is no excuse except to say it was just a tragic series of ****-up's coupled with bad luck, much like that that befell the Titanic, Lusitania or the Zepplin Hindenberg. Only a lot mo' dirty.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post


    I don't think we should tolerate what we don't have to, but we went and put a liberal in office, so now we're going to have to ride out some damaging policies until we can get a Conservative administration in there to clean this crap up.
    Many conservatives are against offshore drilling, too. It's not really a liberal-conservative issue. The conservatives controlled both congress and the Whitehouse for 6 years. During that time they supported the moratorium on offshore drilling and many of the oil policies were created by them..
    There will always be spills but the more rigs out there the greater the risk. You do know they would be drilling on the same fields, they would just be depleting it faster.
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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No no, I said "Conservative". We haven't had a Conservative in office since Reagan. Bush belongs to you.
    Cop out. I don't accept Bush; so he does not belong to me. You can't play politics that way. Obama doesn't actually belong to me, either, even though I voted for him. Only "conservatives" believe that either of them are "liberal". Neither of them are. They're both Corporatists (different from Capitalists). Reagan was also not truly a Conservative in my view of what Conservatism actually is; but was also a Corporatist. Indeed, Reagan did many things that weren't conservative. Let's not forget that a lot of things Obama has been criticized for: nuclear negotiations with Russia (Reagan did it, too); negotiations with Iran (Reagan did it, too); taxes (they were significantly higher in most brackets under Reagan than they are now). Not to mention that Reagan's average approval rating in his second year in office as a meager 42% (Obama's is currently at 49% and he's never been below 45%).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Speaking just for myself, the reason I'm fairly relaxed over theis spill is 2 fold:

    1. Exxon Valdez was caused by human error. It could have been prevented but someone ****ed up, big. The Deepwater Horizon was not a human error, it was one unusually hugmungis (technical term) methane bubble modern technology couldn't have foreseen. If it weren't for the sheer size of the bubble this would have been just another blow-out, the rig would not have blown up and sank, they would have capped it off and life would go on without you or I being any wiser.

    2. Once the Exxon Valdez's hull was cracked open, there was no stopping it's contents from spilling. There was no re-closing the hull, no opening the hull in another location and pumping in a sealant, no dome to cover the breach and sifin away 85% of the oil. This well can still be brought under control with minimal damage to the local ecology.
    Scientists Gain New Insights Into 'Frozen' Methane Beneath Ocean Floor - Here's an article from 2005 showing that there was awareness of methane under the ocean surface.

    I like your optimism; but I don't share it.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Cop out.
    If that's what you feel then you didn't understand my point of view to begin with. It might surprise you to learn that I didn't vote for Bush and opposed many of his policies, such as the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.



    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Scientists Gain New Insights Into 'Frozen' Methane Beneath Ocean Floor - Here's an article from 2005 showing that there was awareness of methane under the ocean surface.

    I like your optimism; but I don't share it.
    What I claimed was that they had no way of knowing if/how much was present at this particular location.

    It's one thing for you to say "there will be X number of car accidents this year", but it's quite another to put your hand on a spicific car and say "this car will be T-boned, sustaining a delta-v of 65mph, by a drunken motorist running a red light in the intersection of Omaha and 3rd street at 1:14am, 12thMAY2010."

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If that's what you feel then you didn't understand my point of view to begin with. It might surprise you to learn that I didn't vote for Bush and opposed many of his policies, such as the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
    I'm not missing your point; I'm countering that just because he wasn't your doesn't make him mine. You can't simply sluff off a bad Republican who ran claiming to be a conservative and simply call him "one of mine". He was a screw-up; but he was not a liberal. You saying so says more about your view of liberals than what I believe a liberal should be and do. I agreed with Bush, I believe, twice in eight years. So he's not "one of mine". And it's unfair of you to pretend so and it only proves that you stereotype anyone who differs from your way of thinking as all being the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What I claimed was that they had no way of knowing if/how much was present at this particular location.

    It's one thing for you to say "there will be X number of car accidents this year", but it's quite another to put your hand on a spicific car and say "this car will be T-boned, sustaining a delta-v of 65mph, by a drunken motorist running a red light in the intersection of Omaha and 3rd street at 1:14am, 12thMAY2010."
    Clearly they should have known there was risk there. I more equate this to people being shocked when race-car drivers die. When you take a known risk, then things are going to happen.

    They HAD to have been aware of methane under the surface if they'd done their research. And thus, this could have been prevented.

    This is another case of a company putting profit before safety and ecology. And there's ample proof that both parties are in bed with Big Oil and are more than glad to allow them to destroy our environment.

    Barack Obama, Dick Cheney and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill - E.D. Kain - American Times - True/Slant

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I'm not missing your point; I'm countering that just because he wasn't your doesn't make him mine.
    Just because I'm against an Obama policy doesn't mean I supported a Bush policy. If you don't being mislabeled in kind, don't bring up Bush. The general forum membership has grown tired of you people bringing up Bush whenever Obama is criticized. It's old.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Clearly they should have known there was risk there. I more equate this to people being shocked when race-car drivers die. When you take a known risk, then things are going to happen.
    The article you linked to, while informative, did not describe a technology capable of locating methane hydrates at specific locations, so it's irrational to demand that such a yet-to-be-invented technology be present on the Deepwater Horizon. Neither could the research locate methane hydrates before drilling; research in fact relied on drilling to get hydrate samples. Also, non of the research cited in your article was performed in the Gulf.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    They HAD to have been aware of methane under the surface if they'd done their research. And thus, this could have been prevented.
    There was no data to tell them where specific deposits were even in the arias where they took core samples; non of which being in the Gulf. There was no technology invented let alone installed on the Deepwater Horizon to detect such a deposit.

    This is another case of a company putting profit before safety and ecology. And there's ample proof that both parties are in bed with Big Oil and are more than glad to allow them to destroy our environment.

    Barack Obama, Dick Cheney and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill - E.D. Kain - American Times - True/Slant
    Right, because if the government doesn't install it, it therefore doesn't exist

    If you bother to read the article you linked to you will note that it is a switch that was to be installed. Not the actual fail-safe itself, but a switch activating the fail-safe.

    Deepwater Horizon did in fact have a BOP fail-safe installed on the well. There's no reason to assume that the cause of the BOP's failure is the absence of a government switch.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not so sure how much know-how Red or even Boots and Coots has with capping a well 5000 feet below the surface of the ocean. Can't hardly blow it up. Hellcats are useless.
    Don't have to blow it up, just thread the broken pipe and screw on a standard shut-off valve. Divers have worked that deep before, so why not now?

    I have difficulty visualizing what really happened down there, how they could use that oversize out house to seal off the oil, and how deep they have to go down to find an undamaged pipe section.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Don't have to blow it up, just thread the broken pipe and screw on a standard shut-off valve. Divers have worked that deep before, so why not now?

    I have difficulty visualizing what really happened down there, how they could use that oversize out house to seal off the oil, and how deep they have to go down to find an undamaged pipe section.

    ricksfolly
    You have to get the threading tool over the pipe....how much force is that oil coming out with, and how hot is it?

    I imagine that if you stuck a pipe out the side of Hover damn, super heated the water and opened the valve, that if the sheer force alone didn't **** up your plans to have a family, the burns you'd sustain would.

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    Re: US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You have to get the threading tool over the pipe....how much force is that oil coming out with, and how hot is it?

    I imagine that if you stuck a pipe out the side of Hover damn, super heated the water and opened the valve, that if the sheer force alone didn't **** up your plans to have a family, the burns you'd sustain would.
    Under water the heat shouldn't be a problem and standard tapping tools have long bars on both ends, as you probably know. Anyway all the details could be worked out by competent petro engineers if given the chance, definitely not by the media, pundits, or politicians.

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