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    Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

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    By Peter Whoriskey
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, April 30, 2010; A14

    All new cars would have to be equipped with "black boxes" that record performance data and federal safety regulators would be granted the authority to order immediate recalls under newly proposed auto-safety legislation being considered by Congress.
    The draft of a bill was released Thursday by one of the House committees investigating Toyota's massive recalls for unintended acceleration in its vehicles. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the House commerce committee, and Sen. John D. Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), chair of the Senate commerce committee, have said they intend to collaborate on automobile safety legislation this year.
    The draft contains a wide array of provisions. Some require new safety features, such as the black boxes -- called event data recorders -- and brake override systems that allow a driver to stop a car even when the throttle is stuck open.
    Other elements of the bill give the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration more power to crack down on automakers that break the rules.
    "Our initial thoughts on this are that Congress have given us a legislative vehicle that has come fully loaded with all the options," said Gloria Bergquist, a vice president at Auto Alliance, the industry trade association. "We are going to look at each one of these and ask: Where are we going to get the safety enhancements?"
    "It's a terrific bill," said Joan Claybrook, a safety advocate and former NHTSA administrator. "It tackles a lot of the key issues."
    The bill would create a "vehicle safety user fee," to be paid by manufacturers on each vehicle. The money would supplement NHTSA's budget. The fee begins at $3 per vehicle and increases to $9 after three years.
    This all sounds good, but I'd like to know exact what all the capabilities of this box are. Is there a wireless, GPS or other connection?
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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

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    This all sounds good, but I'd like to know exact what all the capabilities of this box are. Is there a wireless, GPS or other connection?
    It seems more likely than not.
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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

    I, for one, am just delighted at the idea of the government being able to track my every move while in my car.

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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

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    This all sounds good, but I'd like to know exact what all the capabilities of this box are. Is there a wireless, GPS or other connection?
    I know where this is going.
    Cops will be able to access your black box and retrieve data for speeding etc.

    I say NO DAMN WAY.
    I would never buy a car with it, and if it had one, I'd rip it out.
    (wanna bet that would be made a crime?)

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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

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    I know where this is going.
    Cops will be able to access your black box and retrieve data for speeding etc.
    Or turn off your car.

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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

    I guess I will drive my 2000 GMC Sierra and my 2005 HD and my wife's 2006 Caddy STS for many years

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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

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    This all sounds good, but I'd like to know exact what all the capabilities of this box are. Is there a wireless, GPS or other connection?
    If I'm not mistaken most every car computer already keeps track of performance.
    I don't see why we would need this.
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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

    While I agree this law has privacy concerns, GPS tracking isn't the big issue. I would be more worried about using recorded performance data to give speeding tickets after the fact. This is a usual feel-good crap that lawmakers pass after big news events to make it look like they are doing something. The market has done a pretty good a punishing Toyota for its mistakes, and a clear message has been sent to other automakers. I doubt this is actually intended to exploit privacy by the guys writing it, but I bet that some city looking for ticket revenue will abuse the device for profit.

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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

    Maybe next they will require that vehicles have remote ignition shutoffs installed so that law enforcement can just flip a switch and turn your car off.
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    Re: Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While I agree this law has privacy concerns, GPS tracking isn't the big issue. I would be more worried about using recorded performance data to give speeding tickets after the fact. This is a usual feel-good crap that lawmakers pass after big news events to make it look like they are doing something. The market has done a pretty good a punishing Toyota for its mistakes, and a clear message has been sent to other automakers. I doubt this is actually intended to exploit privacy by the guys writing it, but I bet that some city looking for ticket revenue will abuse the device for profit.
    I think this is a back door so they can charge you mileage tax.

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