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Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

I have long believed that postmortem organ donation should not be optional.

If I ran the zoo, I'd make it mandatory.
I would be willing to go so far as to allow selfish wingnuts who have some religious objection to "opt out" (but I wouldn't make it easy for them; I'd make them fill out a boatload of paperwork and go before a committee to explain their objections to organ donation).
But I believe organ donation, like immunization, should be the status quo.
I do not believe I've ever heard an objection to it that I considered valid.
Like I said, I wouldn't force people to do it if it was just going to absolutely traumatize the bejeezus out of them and destroy their lives. But I wouldn't make opting out easy, by any means.
I'd make them feel like a big asshole.
I'd force them to have "NON-DONOR" stamped all over all their identifying information, too, claiming it was so that no mistakes were made. Really, it would be to stigmatize them.
I'd make sure everyone knew that a "NON-DONOR" was a very crappy and undesirable thing to be.
 
Fortunately 1069, you're not in charge, since you seem to be disrespectful of individual freedom of choice.





(unless in involves killing your unborn child)
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Fortunately 1069, you're not in charge, since you seem to be disrespectful of individual freedom of choice.





(unless in involves killing your unborn child)
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Shaddup, you pre-dead corpse. :roll:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Classy broad you are... :rofl ;)
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If the shoe fits. :shrug:

If Z/E/Fs are "unborn children", you're a pre-dead corpse.
Pity we'll have to wait to harvest your organs.
They could be doing so much more good than they currently are.
 
All dictators think they're benevolent. This page of the thread just further enforces it.
 
1069 said:
I have long believed that postmortem organ donation should not be optional.

If I ran the zoo, I'd make it mandatory.
I would be willing to go so far as to allow selfish wingnuts who have some religious objection to "opt out" (but I wouldn't make it easy for them; I'd make them fill out a boatload of paperwork and go before a committee to explain their objections to organ donation).
But I believe organ donation, like immunization, should be the status quo.
I do not believe I've ever heard an objection to it that I considered valid.
Like I said, I wouldn't force people to do it if it was just going to absolutely traumatize the bejeezus out of them and destroy their lives. But I wouldn't make opting out easy, by any means.
I'd make them feel like a big asshole.
I'd force them to have "NON-DONOR" stamped all over all their identifying information, too, claiming it was so that no mistakes were made. Really, it would be to stigmatize them.
I'd make sure everyone knew that a "NON-DONOR" was a very crappy and undesirable thing to be.
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Unbelievable! It’s attitudes like yours that render it easy for manipulative Politicians such as the Palin to convince the maybe honest but ignorant to believe that there actually are “death panels”. You make it way too easy for the Igloo.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stop the personal attacks, now.
 
traffic said:
You would rather be buried with your organs, for really no practical reason (they're going to degrade anyways), rather then possibly save someone's life?
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To gift one's organs to the living after you've passed on is a very gracious and generous act. It is also a profoundly personal choice. We donated my little brother's kidneys when he passed away and oddly enough my ex brother in law received a donated kidney (not my brother's) so needless to say I strongly support organ donation, but never against the will of the donor.

 
hiswoman said:

To gift one's organs to the living after you've passed on is a very gracious and generous act. It is also a profoundly personal choice. We donated my little brother's kidneys when he passed away and oddly enough my ex brother in law received a donated kidney (not my brother's) so needless to say I strongly support organ donation, but never against the will of the donor.

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The donor has no will if he's dead.
Similar to a fetus, who has no will because he's not living yet.
One has to actually be sucking air, in order to have preferences.
 
1069 said:
The donor has no will if he's dead.
Similar to a fetus, who has no will because he's not living yet.
One has to actually be sucking air, in order to have preferences.
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I share your enthusiasm for organ donation, but the preferences (as stated during life) of the deceased should always be respected, regardless of our personal opinion. People have the right to choose to donate their organs, or not, just as a woman has the legal right to choose to terminate a pregnancy, or not. In either case, your body, your choice.

 
Harry Guerrilla said:
We should be able to sell them.

It's unfair how everyone, except the donor, is allowed to profit from the transaction.
Oh yea lets strong arm people into giving up stuff for free. :doh
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I agree; we should be able to sell them.
 
1069 said:
I agree; we should be able to sell them.
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Most of the people on the list need kidneys or livers.
For those with non demanding jobs losing a kidney isn't as bad vs the cash.

At death, at least the persons family could be compensated enough to of set burial expenses.

Whats crazy is that is was made illegal in 1984.
So it's fairly new.
 
Solution - If you know you are about to die, and don't want to give up your organs, be sure to catch Hep C from somebody. They won't be able to take your organs then. Call it non-violent protest. LOL.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Most of the people on the list need kidneys or livers.
For those with non demanding jobs losing a kidney isn't as bad vs the cash.
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Well, yeah, since losing a liver means you die. :lol::doh
You can't let people sell their livers; well, you can, but then you're getting into something a little different.
 
1069 said:
Well, yeah, since losing a liver means you die. :lol::doh
You can't let people sell their livers; well, you can, but then you're getting into something a little different.
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The liver can regenerate, so it is possible to donate a portion of it.

 
traffic said:
You would rather be buried with your organs, for really no practical reason (they're going to degrade anyways), rather then possibly save someone's life?
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Perhaps we should try this program on criminals that die in prison.

(then watch the outrage).

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1069 said:
The donor has no will if he's dead.
Similar to a fetus, who has no will because he's not living yet.
One has to actually be sucking air, in order to have preferences.
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Wrong.

He has a will for what he wants done with his body after death, just as he does with his estate.

At your level of thinking, the state could take all his money, land and personal property because he ceases to be... "sucking air".

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MyOwnDrum said:
You know what? In reality it's up to the next of kin. If they object it ain't happening, if they say yes, then it happens...

No one in the hospital checks the little check on the person's driver's license. That's just a feel good thing with no bearing on real life. In in the real world the next of kin is approached, and they decide.
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Next of kin are too slow to make the decision. Organs need to be recovered very quickly or they become useless. (except for situations where the dying person is kept on life support for a while but next of kin can already make such a decision then)
 
danarhea said:
Solution - If you know you are about to die, and don't want to give up your organs, be sure to catch Hep C from somebody. They won't be able to take your organs then. Call it non-violent protest. LOL.
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This post wins.
 
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