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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    In Spain everyone is an organ donor automatically. You can take yourself off the list though. Imo the best system of all.
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    It'll never pass a constitutional challenge.
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's right there in the OP quote:



    This simply changes it from opt in to opt out. When you get your license, you are automatically signed up as a donor, and you simply have to check a box or fill out a form to not be one.

    It might go too far, I dont' know, but it's certainly not making it mandatory.
    OK I see the opt out clause but still to signed people onto the organ donor list and force them to OPT OUT is wrong. Have you ever forgotten to check a box or checked one by accident ? I do not want anyone to be put on an organ list by default. That is what this OPT OUT process casues and that is wrong.

    I think that anyone who even hints that they believe in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights should philosophically be opposed to this sort of nonsnse and game playing.

    I would say to Albany OPT THIS !!
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    In Spain everyone is an organ donor automatically. You can take yourself off the list though. Imo the best system of all.
    Yes, but I own my organs. It's not up to the government to say that I'll be donating them, even if they give an "opt out". It's the opposite. They're my organs, they are mine less I specify that I wish to donate them.
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but I own my organs. It's not up to the government to say that I'll be donating them, even if they give an "opt out". It's the opposite. They're my organs, they are mine less I specify that I wish to donate them.
    So, you think it is possible to retain ownership of items after death?

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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So, you think it is possible to retain ownership of items after death?
    If I want to be buried with them, then I can. What gives you the right to steal my property?
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What gives you the right to steal my property?
    That's the question. Is it still property?

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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That's the question. Is it still property?
    Yes it's still property. Does dying make a house any less "property"? Can you not will it down to certain people if you wish? The government doesn't come in there and take it and redistribute it as they see fit, you get to dictate what happens to your property once you die.
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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes it's still property. Does dying make a house any less "property"? Can you not will it down to certain people if you wish? The government doesn't come in there and take it and redistribute it as they see fit, you get to dictate what happens to your property once you die.
    Actually, unless you leave a will, the government will decide what to do with your property. So this isn't that different. Unless you leave specific wishes (opt out) the government will decide where your organs go.

    Still not saying I support this though, since the body is much more personal than property.

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    Re: Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So, you think it is possible to retain ownership of items after death?
    Yes, as long as your body has yet to decompose you own it even after death.
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