Terrorist attacks decrease in Europe

texmaster · Apr 29, 2010

angrybeaver said:
Yes they did.
They stood by and watch as NORAID poured money into terrorist coffers and slick willy shook hands with two known IRA terrorists even before the good friday agreement..I may be wrong, it may have only been one terrorist.
About the same as the Queen meeting Osama bin Laden at Windsor.

You are the one who is woefully ignorant of your governments part in helping the IRA.

NORAID isn't part of the US government! My God pick up a damn history book!

Yeah you've been wrong more times than you've been right in this thread. Show us where Clinton did this.

angrybeaver · Apr 29, 2010

texmaster said:
NORAID isn't part of the US government! My God pick up a damn history book!

Yeah you've been wrong more times than you've been right in this thread. Show us where Clinton did this.

Cant you read?
I posted that they stood by and watched Noraid supply terrorist coffers not that noraid was any part of the government.
Are you saying that your government would be powerless to stop a non government organisation supply the Taliban?
Please read the posts .

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n10_v10/ai_14896000/

Seeing as you cannot read my posts correctly..please try hard to read this article

texmaster · Apr 29, 2010

angrybeaver said:
Cant you read?
I posted that they stood by and watched Noraid supply terrorist coffers not that noraid was any part of the government. Are you saying that your government would be powerless to stop a non government organisation supply the Taliban?

You have NO evidence they knew it was providing terrorist funding. None, zip zero.

Seeing as you cannot read my posts correctly..please try hard to read this article

#1 Its not an article. Its an editorial.

The first paragraph is a kind of a dead giveaway

I wish I had known that as I was flying east to London on Jan. 31, Gerry Adams, head of the political arm of the Irish Republican Army, was flying west to New York. I would have flown on to a more hospitable landing spot -- say, Sarajevo or Beirut. :roll:

Now here is the real story:

It's a mark of the people skills of President Bill Clinton that it took his visit to unite the people of Northern Ireland, no matter how briefly, in their tens of thousands on the streets of Belfast and Londonderry.

We came here knowing that words are not very good at a time like this, simply to express our sympathy and to support your determined refusal to let a cowardly crime rob you of the future

President Clinton at Omagh, 1998
President Bill Clinton's domestic legacy, belittled by opponents and tainted by impeachment, will be picked over for years to come.

But few doubt the importance of the role that he played in helping to get Northern Ireland's divided community to sit down together with the common goal of consigning violence and inequality to the past.

President Clinton is now on his third visit to Dublin and Belfast - three visits more than any other serving US President has ever undertaken.

It's a commitment that has ranged from granting Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams a US visa in the belief that it would further peace, to admitting to being left "overwhelmed" following a meeting with victims of the Omagh bomb.

Although the peace process is by no means complete, the White House has regarded it as little short of a Clinton foreign policy triumph

BBC News | NORTHERN IRELAND | Clinton: His role in Northern Ireland

NO president did more than Clinton to help end the violence and you spit upon him while your own government released a mass murderer of Americans and think somehow those two incidents cancel each other out.

Your lack of logic and historical fact is sickening.

Were you even alive during Clinton because you seem to have no clue how much he did to end the violence.

angrybeaver · Apr 29, 2010

texmaster said:
You have NO evidence they knew it was providing terrorist funding. None, zip zero.

#1 Its not an article. Its an editorial.

The first paragraph is a kind of a dead giveaway

I wish I had known that as I was flying east to London on Jan. 31, Gerry Adams, head of the political arm of the Irish Republican Army, was flying west to New York. I would have flown on to a more hospitable landing spot -- say, Sarajevo or Beirut. :roll:

Now here is the real story:

It's a mark of the people skills of President Bill Clinton that it took his visit to unite the people of Northern Ireland, no matter how briefly, in their tens of thousands on the streets of Belfast and Londonderry.

We came here knowing that words are not very good at a time like this, simply to express our sympathy and to support your determined refusal to let a cowardly crime rob you of the future

President Clinton at Omagh, 1998
President Bill Clinton's domestic legacy, belittled by opponents and tainted by impeachment, will be picked over for years to come.

But few doubt the importance of the role that he played in helping to get Northern Ireland's divided community to sit down together with the common goal of consigning violence and inequality to the past.

President Clinton is now on his third visit to Dublin and Belfast - three visits more than any other serving US President has ever undertaken.

It's a commitment that has ranged from granting Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams a US visa in the belief that it would further peace, to admitting to being left "overwhelmed" following a meeting with victims of the Omagh bomb.

Although the peace process is by no means complete, the White House has regarded it as little short of a Clinton foreign policy triumph

BBC News | NORTHERN IRELAND | Clinton: His role in Northern Ireland

NO president did more than Clinton to help end the violence and you spit upon him while your own government released a mass murderer of Americans and think somehow those two incidents cancel each other out.

Your lack of logic and historical fact is sickening.

Were you even alive during Clinton because you seem to have no clue how much he did to end the violence.

I apologise I did not realise just how far your head was up your ass.

It was known during the 'troubles' that Noraid was a major contributer to the IRA.
You have no evidence whatsoever that the guy jailed for the Locherbie bombing was actually responsible for it.
He was a patsy handed over to appease us and the states.
He was due for an appeal which would have revealed this..prove otherwise.

Clinton allowed a known terrorist to obtain a visa to the USA and actually met him.
He was a serial woman fondler and terrorist apologist in the same mould as Ted Kennedy .
Too many 'oirish' Americans gave money to the old country through Noraid and ignored the fact that is was used by those murdering bastards to kill and maim innocent civilians.
Do a bit of research and you might educate yourself

texmaster · Apr 30, 2010

angrybeaver said:
I apologise I did not realise just how far your head was up your ass.

Stop looking in the mirror and pay attention to the screen.

It was known during the 'troubles' that Noraid was a major contributer to the IRA.
You have no evidence whatsoever that the guy jailed for the Locherbie bombing was actually responsible for it.
He was a patsy handed over to appease us and the states.
He was due for an appeal which would have revealed this..prove otherwise.

Right buddy. He was only convicted in your own court. And unlike you, I present the facts.

A Scottish court ruled in 2003 that al Megrahi must serve at least 27 years of his sentence before becoming eligible for parole.

Lockerbie bomber drops appeal, Scottish agency says - CNN.com

They didn't release him because they said he was innocent. They said was dying. Another spot on judgment call by your government. :roll:

And again:

Prosecution evidence showed he had used false passports on trips between Tripoli, the Libyan capital, and two destinations linked to the bombing, Malta and Zurich, where the timing device for the Flight 103 bomb was bought.

Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi News - The New York Times

You have NOTHING to prove he was innocent.

Clinton allowed a known terrorist to obtain a visa to the USA and actually met him.

Clinton also met with Arafat. Its called negotiation.

He was a serial woman fondler and terrorist apologist in the same mould as Ted Kennedy .

Oh spare me the infidelity lecture from the country with a bisexual prince prancing around the royal palace.

Too many 'oirish' Americans gave money to the old country through Noraid and ignored the fact that is was used by those murdering bastards to kill and maim innocent civilians.
Do a bit of research and you might educate yourself

You really are clueless. You ignored the three visits Clinton made to the region and the peace accordance HE brokered.

Clinton was even HONORED FOR THE PEACE AGREEMENT

Bono's back in town, Click Track reports.

(We're always happy when the singer makes a visit to D.C.)

The U2 singer will receive top honors Wednesday night at the Atlantic Council’s annual leadership awards dinner at the Ritz-Carlton. The co-founder of the ONE Campaign foundation will receive the first Humanitarian Leadership Award from the think tank, which promotes international affairs.

Former President Bill Clinton also will be honored for his role in the Dayton Accords, peace negotiations in Northern Ireland and other achievements.

Post Now - Bono, Clinton to be honored Wednesday

Your lack of basic knowledge about your own damn country is truly astounding.

Thats why you can't produce a shred of evidence, just rant on like some whiny child when you are confronted with your own ignorance of the facts.

angrybeaver · Apr 30, 2010

You didnt read your own link did you?

LOOK...

'The move may be part of a deal convicted bomber Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi is seeking with Scottish authorities to be released on compassionate grounds.'

It was a deal, drop the appeal and we will release you on commpassionate grounds.
It appears you cannot read my posts or your own links properly.

Clinton allowed a known terrorist into your country and met him well before the good friday agreement..it was not negotiation.

Maybe the EU can give Osama bin laden a nice day out in Brussels...what a chump you are:roll:

I dont know where you get this thing about our bisexual Prince..wishful thinking?
Ted Kennedy supported his rapist nephew and left a woman to die in his car after he drove it off a bridge...bet youre proud of him.

Bono is a posing twat , no wonder you like him.

As far as 'honours' are concerned Obama won the Nobel prize this year...enough said

It seems that you are one of these idiots that cannot read a post properly and starts calling people 'child' when they get their arse handed to them .

Bono is a hero to you is he?
Says a lot:rofl

Rusticus · Apr 30, 2010

Djoop said:
That's a comforting thought but still I feel that there's a concentration of europeans who only come here to bait americans. It's annoying for europeans who, out of interest, like to discuss with people on the other side of the pond.

I think the people on this forum fall into too many categories to allow acurate generalization.

Rusticus · Apr 30, 2010

Djoop said:
And I'm sure they don't mind another chance to express their sentiment, considering that the OP is a false, one sentence, unsubstantiated, accusation against americans.

How is an OP that says that terrorist attacks decrease in europe an accusation against Americans?

mpg · Apr 30, 2010

Rusticus said:
How is an OP that says that terrorist attacks decrease in europe an accusation against Americans?

The thread title and the OP are two different things.

Djoop · May 1, 2010

Rusticus said:
I think the people on this forum fall into too many categories to allow acurate generalization.

The people on this forum do, I was talking about a few european posters on this forum.

Rusticus said:
How is an OP that says that terrorist attacks decrease in europe an accusation against Americans?

That's not what the OP says.

Only one Islamic attack! Wow, thats not what the American fascists would want you to believe is it

It suggests there are, a) american faciststs , b) who lie about the amount of islamist attacks in Europe.

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

Maximus Zeebra said:
Only one Islamic attack! Wow, thats not what the American fascists would want you to believe is it? :doh

Funny that it's the U.S. that doesn't have a viable fascist party and never has; whereas, many European countries do and their left has a love affair with Islamic Fascism.

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

Maximus Zeebra said:
Saying neither.

I am saying many Americans are fascist, especially many from the Republican party.

This coming from guy who pops wood at the site of Vladimir Putin.

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

Maximus Zeebra said:
Nope... I just want to mute all the fascists on this forum that claims Islamic terror is such a big threat, when its not.

There's thousands of Islamist terror attacks worldwide annually and while a fascist; such as, yourself may not care about brown people some of us do.

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

angrybeaver said:
The USA does nothing that does not benefit the USA.

How did we benefit in Kosovo? Aiding in the Tsunami relief in Indonesia? Aiding the people in Haiti after the earthquake? Etc etc.

The States did not keep such a huge military force in Europe because it liked the cut of our jib . It did it because the government considered it a good investment .

We didn't actually keep a huge military force at least not compared to the Soviets.

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

angrybeaver said:
Do you?
Did you read the my previous post? post21
Get over yourself with ww2.
You were our grocers and armourers until Pearl harbour and ..wait for it...Germany declared war on the USA.
Stop getting your 20th century history from Errol Flynn films and get over yourself. No more ' we saved you butts in ww2' bull**** please.
No one but you believes it

So you're asserting that you could have defeated the Germans without lend lease and American entry into the war? The American advent of the Proximity Fuse alone was enough to turn the tide of the war.

zimmer · May 1, 2010

I love it when you and Petey post.
You exemplify the typical numbskulled European.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Perhaps we should stop spending money on healthcare and socialism(taking care of our own), to spend on military paranoia budgets, and then go out and kill hundreds of thousands of people with our armies, and ruin the lives of millions, just because of a few small attacks?

YOU HAVE!!!
You have been letting America fight the fights because you have gutted your militaries.

Why the hell did we have to go to the damn Balkans? You folks protested for us to go... and the damn conflict was in your back yard. In Rwanda the Euro faction split instead of trying to stop genocide.

Mainland Europe has got what... one aircraft carrier... that sits in a French Harbor more often than not being repaired?

Perhaps we should also stop living, perhaps we should breath in fear and live in constant fear, perhaps we should as a result turn to extremism, polarization and political dogmatism, to stem our own needs that arise from our own irrational fear. And then perhaps we should re-elect some Hitler like type, that may or may not want to create some insane kind of state that is not for the people, but about invading other people..

Perhaps that is the solution?

Our government should be alert and vigilant... absolutely.
We should have learned by now that there is no time to let your guard down.

Of course, there are peaceniks and Kumbaya types that have no digit in the wasters of reality and think we should all just get along.

Are you Obama's speech writer?
Or are you the teleprompteur?

.

Rusticus · May 1, 2010

Djoop said:
The people on this forum do, I was talking about a few european posters on this forum.

That's not what the OP says.

It suggests there are, a) american faciststs , b) who lie about the amount of islamist attacks in Europe.

I just looked at the title.

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

Erod said:
LOL, it's not even close. We don't even disclose the true power of our military technology.

And we do? :lol:

mike2810 said:
You are misguided regarding our politics. I'm a registered Republican and am no where near being a facist nor are many of the people I know that are republican, democrat or third party.

I am not saying all Republicans are fascists, just many.

mike2810 said:
As far as "focusing on our own stuff", I agree Europe should take care of their interal matters as the US will take care its issues. However, to think radical islamics are not a threat, rather home grown or other, is not being realistic.

I mean, the US obviously should, Europe as well. The US has lost most focus and live in some kind of crippled paranoid fear that creates extremism, polarization, and gives room for the fascist to wind up support for extreme policies.

Thats MUCH a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism. So is the capitalist system, so is homegrown terrorism, so is media manipulation and political propaganda. However, the amount of energy the world spends on a bunch of pathetic little people that scared the **** out of the whole US people and made them go from an open to a closed society, is ridiculous and unfounded.

Crunch said:
I think we need to stop that practice.... let them pay for their socialist healthcare system and a military that can protect them.

We do pay for that. We pay €200 billion a year for our militaries, the same as the US paid in 2001. We also pay for our socialism, and we must keep doing so to avoid becoming a state of barbarians who thrive on greed, selfishness, speculation and idiocy, like for example the US. Socialism is the only thing that make common sense unless you are a selfish piece of garbage.

Even though we pay for socialism, our state debts on average in the Eurozone is lower than in the US, and our budget deficits are also lower than the US. Our government expenditures are not much higher than the US yet we finance much more.

Crunch said:
I'd kind of like to send them a bill for keeping the USSR from annexing them for 50 years.

Perhaps then the French should send you a bill for not being a UK colony anymore :doh

Erod said:
It's more like having a teenager in the house that doesn't understand that the lights don't turn on and the water doesn't run for free.

Better that than some extremist barbarian who think the fundamental of economics is measured by stock market prices. :doh

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

angrybeaver said:
The USA does nothing that does not benefit the USA.
The States did not keep such a huge military force in Europe because it liked the cut of our jib . It did it because the government considered it a good investment .

Like every state. This must end, we can only enter the next stage when everyone do what benefits all of humanity.

Gipper said:
And how many has America withstood this past year?

We must be doing something right. But that's ok. Tell us how good universal health care is when you have bodies piling up in subways and railroad stations.

Despite the poor performance of the democratic party and Obama, compared to his and their promises. I have to admire and congratulate the whole of the US on finally getting a fair/socialist health care system. And furthermore I have to congratulate on the new student financing plan, which brings US student financing up to level with Scandinavian and other European standards, by the state helping studends finance their studies and living cost during the student period.

Sincere congratulation for moving forwards! :bravo:

texmaster said:
Some of you guys in Western Europe have a habit of surrendering a little early.

Terrorists love that.

Like who? Who has surrendered a bit early? Is this another "French joke"? Because the French had no other choice than surrender or get annhiliated and bombed to pieces by a much stronger NAZI Germany.:screwy

Rusticus said:
Actually, we didnt "occupy" various countries in Europe. During WWII, Europe was conquered by Adolph Hitler and the Nazis. We liberated Europe and only spent enough time in european countries to drive out the Nazis.

You will find various cemetaries of American soldiers throughout Europe to confirm that fact.

Is that so? Am I then wrong in knowing that you still have soldiers and bases throughout Europe?

DrunkenAsparagus said:
The GOP has a fascist wing now? Just like the Democrats are communist? You have a lot to learn about US politics.

Nah. A big part of the GOP are fascists, just like a substantial part of the democratic party support socialist policies.

angrybeaver said:
If it we not for Britain the Nazis would have over run Europe, defeated the USSR and helped Japan whip your butts.
You would all be dungaree wearing hicks tugging the forelock to the Nazis and the land of the rising sun.
Aint hindsight grand

The old confederates would have gladly helped taking down the US from the inside at the same time. There was big NAZI support in much of the US before, during and after the world war.

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

Djoop said:
And I'm sure they don't mind another chance to express their sentiment, considering that the OP is a false, one sentence, unsubstantiated, accusation against americans.

Do you deny that fascism has become quite mainstream in the US? Do you deny that fascist style policies dominate the strong part of the Republican party?

Rusticus said:
That is certainly true and is as annoying to many Americans-no more annoying to many Americans than it is to you.

I find it that many Americans on this forum are extremists and quite nationalistic. I certainly hope that doesnt represent the US average very well.

I do however fear that extremist politics and the strong Republican fascist like agenda has affected the media and the people in average to turn more towards these attitudes than before, and accepting US more as a closed society than before, when in my opinion, in the 90s the US was far more of an open society.

This is my fight and what I have against America, but its a positive fight, I want the best for them, and I like nothing more than the America I grew up with, horribly, this is not the America I know anymore.

Agent Ferris said:
Funny that it's the U.S. that doesn't have a viable fascist party and never has; whereas, many European countries do and their left has a love affair with Islamic Fascism.

Problem is that fascism in the US has become to mainstream for people to define fascism properly, and thus have accepted many fascist values. The party who embraces fascism is the Republican party, certainly not all of them, but a scarily large part. Its almost viable to brand the Republican party all in all as a global fascist party.
Its definete reality that the Republican party is a fascist leaning party.

Agent Ferris said:
This coming from guy who pops wood at the site of Vladimir Putin.

I dont know what that is suppose to mean, but I certainly admire the intellect of Vladimir Putin. I also admire some of his political stands. I admire none of the political stands of George W. Bush for example, and I certainly do not admire his intellect.

Agent Ferris said:
How did we benefit in Kosovo? Aiding in the Tsunami relief in Indonesia? Aiding the people in Haiti after the earthquake? Etc etc.

Hindering the spread, PR, PR, PR. This is how you benefitted simply. In these days, that is most likely the political goal. In the 90s when the US had ideals, then it was most likely just to help and do the right thing.

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

Djoop said:
That's not what the OP says.

This thread is about there only being 1 Islamic terrorism attack.

Djoop said:
It suggests there are, a) american faciststs , b) who lie about the amount of islamist attacks in Europe.

The fascists in America, including many of them on this forum wants you to believe Europe is being overrun by Islamic terror and Islamism.

This is just not the reality.

These things is the point of the thread.

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

zimmer said:
I love it when you and Petey post.
You exemplify the typical numbskulled European.

YOU HAVE!!!
You have been letting America fight the fights because you have gutted your militaries.

Why the hell did we have to go to the damn Balkans? You folks protested for us to go... and the damn conflict was in your back yard. In Rwanda the Euro faction split instead of trying to stop genocide.

Mainland Europe has got what... one aircraft carrier... that sits in a French Harbor more often than not being repaired?

Our government should be alert and vigilant... absolutely.
We should have learned by now that there is no time to let your guard down.

Of course, there are peaceniks and Kumbaya types that have no digit in the wasters of reality and think we should all just get along.

Are you Obama's speech writer?
Or are you the teleprompteur?

.

Sorry. I need not get involved with delusional views.

I have now put you on my ignore list..

Maximus Zeebra · May 1, 2010

Rusticus said:
I just looked at the title.

Some people on this forum hates me, harasses me, because they cannot stand the truth and reality. :mrgreen:

Agent Ferris · May 1, 2010

Maximus Zeebra said:
Problem is that fascism in the US has become to mainstream for people to define fascism properly, and thus have accepted many fascist values.

Such as?

The party who embraces fascism is the Republican party, certainly not all of them, but a scarily large part.

About 90% (at least) of Republicans support smaller government, so um, EPIC FAIL.

Its almost viable to brand the Republican party all in all as a global fascist party.

Do you even know the meaning of the word fascist?

Its definete reality that the Republican party is a fascist leaning party.

Yes yes, smaller government, less government regulation of the economy, rejection of nationalization of private industry, etc etc. All typical fascist dogmas if you ask me. :roll:

I dont know what that is suppose to mean, but I certainly admire the intellect of Vladimir Putin. I also admire some of his political stands. I admire none of the political stands of George W. Bush for example, and I certainly do not admire his intellect.

I understand that you hate GWB and label him as a tyrant and admire a true tyrant like Vladimir Putin.

Hindering the spread, PR, PR, PR. This is how you benefitted simply. In these days, that is most likely the political goal. In the 90s when the US had ideals, then it was most likely just to help and do the right thing.

So it wasn't good PR back then but it was all about PR when it was under GWB? Tell me how do you know that? Is it just something you feel must be true? Oh and FYI Obama was POTUS during the Haiti relief.

DrunkenAsparagus · May 1, 2010

Maximus Zeebra said:
L
Nah. A big part of the GOP are fascists, just like a substantial part of the democratic party support socialist policies.
.

Who are the fascists Maximus? The GOP sucks, but how is it fascist?

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