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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Kids are obese because parents feed them crap and the kids live very sedentary lives. The government shouldn't ban any food for any reason (unless it's poisoned or something, that's where the FDA can step in and ban it). Really the only thing the government should be allowed to do is have intense PE exercises in public schools and encourage kids to stop sitting in front of a TV and computer and go out and do something.

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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Such a scare dangerous slope you sit on. Freedom and Liberty come second to you don't they?
    No reality comes first. The reality is that fast-food leads to obesity and cardiovascular disease if consumed on a normal basis. There are of course a multitude of confounding variables, such as exercise, age, pre-existing conditions, and metabolism. But the fact stills stands that we WILL pay for other's choices it is a fact, and the fatter society gets, then the more Uncle Sam is going to be going through your piggy bank.

    I do not believe that Gov't mandates should be the response to the epidemic. We have cut the total amount of youth smokers, and even youth sentiment, with very little done by the Gov't. We can continue this dialogue against fatty foods, food with large amounts of additives, or are high in sodium, sugar, or carbohydrates. It does not have to come from the Gov't. And McDs doesn't have to go bankrupt. They have, in their capacity, to make more healthy meals... but the change hsa to start with the consumer.



    So you believe you have moral right to save children from their evil parents. Why have parents at all? Why not put children into Gov't run boarding schools. Really, it's the only way to ensure they are treated properly.
    I believe the parents should be sterilized immediately.
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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    The reality is that fast-food leads to obesity and cardiovascular disease if consumed on a normal basis.
    Then don't consume it on a normal basis.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Statism on the march.
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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Then don't consume it on a normal basis.
    and that would be damn good advice if what I consumed was the only affect on me. The truth is that those who do not heed the advice that smoking is a leading cause of cancer, and that fast-food (high-fat, high sodium, high carbohydrate) diet is a leading cause of cardiovascular disease, still affect me.
    Those who become jobless because of their ailments from preventable diseases, I might add, are no longer the recipients of their own actions-- their health costs get passed onto the tax payers; their jobless status affects the economy.

    To say that it is the individuals responsibility to adhere to healthy guidelines, and look after their own ass allows Fast-Food and unhealthy food producers to shrug off any blame. When a child gets lead poisoning from a Chinese produced toy (which are probably where the toys in the OP are coming from) there is a unanimous blame put on the toy-producers for allowing it to happen, or for the Govt to allow such nonsense get into circulation. The double standard is that when children show complications from a poor diet (usually early onset diabetes) there is no blame to McDonalds, or to the fast food producers, but it goes directly to the parents.

    Sure lead poisoning and a McHappyMeal are quite different in terms of the severity of their effect, but the McHappyMeal abuse happens on an hourly basis. Many more people allow their children to poison themselves with sodium, sugar, and fats then children who lick lead-infused toys.

    I am not arguing that Gov't overhaul of the FastFood industry is necessary or even remotely sane, but I am arguing that if the standards of today continue and that society does not cause the change, then the Gov't in 10 to 20 to 30 years when there is a full blown epidemic and parents are outliving both their children and grandchildren will have to take action.
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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Kids are obese because parents feed them crap and the kids live very sedentary lives. The government shouldn't ban any food for any reason (unless it's poisoned or something, that's where the FDA can step in and ban it). Really the only thing the government should be allowed to do is have intense PE exercises in public schools and encourage kids to stop sitting in front of a TV and computer and go out and do something.
    Nobody is saying that the Government is banning food.

    The issue is about banning toys, which is seen as a rewards system for children. A HappyMeal means a toy and to a kid this lives with them more than the taste or the nutritional makeup of the McHappyMeal
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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    and that would be damn good advice if what I consumed was the only affect on me. The truth is that those who do not heed the advice that smoking is a leading cause of cancer, and that fast-food (high-fat, high sodium, high carbohydrate) diet is a leading cause of cardiovascular disease, still affect me.
    Those who become jobless because of their ailments from preventable diseases, I might add, are no longer the recipients of their own actions-- their health costs get passed onto the tax payers; their jobless status affects the economy.
    They'll die soon enough, you won't have to worry about them for too long. Plus it takes well more money to keep the really old alive for the last 6 months than it does to try to fight off cancer from a middle aged person. So if that person kicks the bucket, we're up money on the deal. Also, dying early subsidizes pensions. Yay for early death. Let people drink, eat, or smoke their way into an early grave. We save money when they do.
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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Those Happy Meal toys are crap anyways, and always end up on the floor of the backseat of the car.

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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Nobody is saying that the Government is banning food.

    The issue is about banning toys, which is seen as a rewards system for children. A HappyMeal means a toy and to a kid this lives with them more than the taste or the nutritional makeup of the McHappyMeal
    But it's so dumb, and not the government's concern. In the end, it's the parent controlling everything, not the child. So the kid gets a toy...who cares? They get lots of toys and if the parent doesn't want to go to McDonald's, then that's that; end of story. It will do nothing, it's an overstep of the boundary, it's useless, intrusive government. It can go piss off and mind its own god damned business.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Citing Obesity of Children, County Bans Fast-Food Toys

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Another plank of the nanny state, stuff like this makes my head hurt.
    I don't think it's the "nanny state" that is the problem but rather the millions of Americans who are unable to make the right choices for a myriad of reasons. The top few are, no time to cook because both parents are working so much, the food is tastey, it's easy to get, MARKETING WORKS.

    So, I'd like all you cons to tell us how lazy these millions of Americans are, and don't forget to throw in that, if you can do the wise thing, anyone can, because we're all exactly a like...

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