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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    More deaths strictly related to the technology available.
    Which makes my point exactly.

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    When we go to war these days (as in the "war on terror" we are currently in), we go into a country, try to convert them to democracy (instead of Christianity), tear their cities down, and rebuild them, then have soldiers picking up the trash and putting sheetrock up. We try to have a war without really hurting anyone. A nice clean war.
    Do you really think you're the first person in human history who's claimed that violence that came from your side was more justified or more civilized? Jump ahead a couple hundred years and people will remember our wars exactly how we remember wars from a couple hundred years before us: a whole buncha' killing happened.

    We're a statistic.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    what I meant was, who would hold the biological advantage in the unintended biological warfare that would ensue.

    (As in the case of Indians vs. the Europeans, the europeans were clearly much more acquinted with--and immuned to--more varieties of infection...to their advantage)
    Unless the civilization of the invading alien force was interplanetary and interspecies, I can't think of why it would be safe to assume that they would be acquainted with more viruses than we would be.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    what I meant was, who would hold the biological advantage in the unintended biological warfare that would ensue.

    (As in the case of Indians vs. the Europeans, the europeans were clearly much more acquinted with--and immuned to--more varieties of infection...to their advantage)
    Ahhh- interesting question.

    It's hard to say. Depends on how the agents were dispersed from both sides, and how capable each side was of correctly analyzing the contagion and coming up with an antidote of some kind. My guess is that neither would be highly advantaged over the other.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    Which makes my point exactly.
    But there has been a change in perspective, especially over the past 50 or so years, at least in this country and most of Europe.

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    Do you really think you're the first person in human history who's claimed that violence that came from your side was more justified or more civilized?
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    Where did I say that violence from my side is justified or civilized? I was being facetious and pointing out the stupidity of trying to fight a "nice" war. That war is a joke imo, and we are fools to be there.

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    We're a statistic.
    Uh, yeah, I realize that.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    But there has been a change in perspective, especially over the past 50 or so oyears, at least in this country and most of Europe.



    Where did I say that violence from my side is justified or civilized? I was being facetious and pointing out the stupidity of trying to fight a "nice" war. That war is a joke imo, and we are fools to be there.



    Uh, yeah, I realize that.
    Your sarcasm was not obvious to me. It is now. However, as a result of your sarcasm I'm unclear on what your position is.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your sarcasm was not obvious to me. It is now. However, as a result of your sarcasm I'm unclear on what your position is.
    My position on war, or my position on how evolving contributes to a less violent tendency in humans (or aliens)? Or did I miss your point altogether?
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    My position on war, or my position on how evolving contributes to a less violent tendency in humans (or aliens)? Or did I miss your point altogether?
    The latter. My point was that history as recent as the twentieth century demonstrates that evolution has done nothing to calm our violent tendencies. However, my statements about the degree of our violence gained a big "no duh" from you, so I don't understand your position anymore.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    Unless the civilization of the invading alien force was interplanetary and interspecies, I can't think of why it would be safe to assume that they would be acquainted with more viruses than we would be.
    All assuming our biologies would be similar enough to allow the spread of disease.

    I imagine that, even if the contact was peaceful, within a few generations (amybe more?) and some microbal mutation/adaption there would be major pandemic and attrition for both species.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

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    All assuming our biologies would be similar enough to allow the spread of disease.

    I imagine that, even if the contact was peaceful, within a few generations there would be major pandemic and attrition for both species.
    It seems fair to assume that two worlds of equal variety would create relatively equal havoc for each other.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    I think the take home point is that we utterly at the mercy of any civilization with the technology to fly to earth. Forget fighting back, we could easily be wiped out from orbit without any chance of stopping it. Assuming things turn hostile, the best strategy would be to surrender and then try and reverse engineer some of their technology. Any culture with interstellar travel probably wouldn't need to pillage earth for resources, but war is rarely logical. Peace at all costs is the only solution for survival.

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