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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hawking is right. If anyone is "out there" and can come here, we had better hope they are benevolent or we are screwed.
    Seriously, we do need to be very careful or hope that some hyper advanced peckerheads from West Nebula are not aggressive or that we or our planet is not tasty morsel such as caviar for them.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nah, skip the blankets. White man had a habit of floating blankets containing smallpox down the rivers to Indian tribes. You could say that these were the first documented cases of biological warfare.
    Didn't the white man take syphillis back to Europe from here?
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Didn't the white man take syphillis back to Europe from here?
    yeh, and a cup of coffee and corn muffin, right !?
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Seriously, we do need to be very careful or hope that some hyper advanced peckerheads from West Nebula are not aggressive or that we or our planet is not tasty morsel such as caviar for them.
    Yes, let's be serious. If there is any advanced civilization that is able to travel light-years in order to come here, they are most likely pretty mentally and psychologically advanced in comparison to us. I genuinely figure that we would be much more likely to be aggressors to them than they to us. They might blast us all into space on our first strike, but I really doubt they would have bad intentions toward us. Maybe I'm wrong, because it's all speculation.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nah, skip the blankets. White man had a habit of floating blankets containing smallpox down the rivers to Indian tribes. You could say that these were the first documented cases of biological warfare.

    The small pox innuendo was exactly what I was going for with my quip.. you ALMOST got my joke
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, let's be serious. If there is any advanced civilization that is able to travel light-years in order to come here, they are most likely pretty mentally and psychologically advanced in comparison to us. I genuinely figure that we would be much more likely to be aggressors to them than they to us.[...]
    You're assuming that mental/psychological development is necessarily related to pacifism and/or compassion toward those less advanced...don't know if that's the case, but I hope you're right!

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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Hawking's view on First Contact has been the one I've always held since evolution can only work with a species evolving due to a sustained environment of extreme competition. When a species is "perfect," as with the mosquito, e.g., it simply ceases to become smarter and badder, whereas human beings in their multitudes of generations sucked so bad that they had to change many times over, becoming increasingly vicious and cunning to the point that we became the earth's dominant species.*

    With only our own example to go by as to how intelligent life might develop, it's only reasonable to assume that an alien technological civilization would be at least equally competitive. And with carbon-based life as the only example, it's only reasonable that such a species would find our world to be a tasty morsel.

    I believe it was highly irresponsible to send out the voyager advertising our whereabouts before we were, as Hawking said, independently colonized on various worlds and thus better suited to dealing with a superior and hostile alien force. Much wiser would have been to conduct passive research: finding alien civilizations quietly, studying them anonymously, and only making first contact when we understood them adequately.



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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    On topic.. even though I do consider Hawkings statement a "no **** sherlock" kinda statement, it has garnered a surprisingly large amount of press and attention since it aired last Sunday on Discovery.. actually I first heard about this prior to the show even airing.

    I thoroughly enjoyed both episodes of Stephen Hawkings Universe when they aired last Sunday, and I am eager to see the next episodes this Sunday as well, great eye candy, and fascinating subject material, even if it is material that I was already acquainted with that was pureed into a diluted pulp to spoon feed the masses.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    You're assuming that mental/psychological development is necessarily related to pacifism and/or compassion toward those less advanced...don't know if that's the case, but I hope you're right!
    I can't say with certainty, but evolution tends to produce improvements in general, and living in societies requires a certain level of compassion or at least tolerance. The more mentally oriented one becomes (as opposed to functioning on a purely emotional level) the more reasonable and thoughtful one tends to be, or so it seems to me.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking takes a hard line on aliens

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, let's be serious. If there is any advanced civilization that is able to travel light-years in order to come here, they are most likely pretty mentally and psychologically advanced in comparison to us. I genuinely figure that we would be much more likely to be aggressors to them than they to us.
    Were the Spanish Conquistadors more peaceful for their ability to pass the vast expanses of the ocean? Were the Native Americans the aggressors?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They might blast us all into space on our first strike, but I really doubt they would have bad intentions toward us. Maybe I'm wrong, because it's all speculation.
    But then, the Spanish certainly only had good intentions for the Native Americans. They did, after all have Christianity to spread. Well, they also came to plunder gold, which the natives didn't even know was such a big deal in the first place.

    Using human history as an example (because it's the only damn example we've got), it's completely illogical to assume that aliens will be enlightened and pacifist.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 04-29-10 at 12:23 AM.

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