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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    The development of this highly portable cruise missile is not surprising. Throughout history, there has been a never-ending race between advances in offensive weapons technologies/capabilities and improvements in defensive technologies/capabilities. That miniaturization and portability, which have been pervasive as technology has advanced is occurring on the military front is no surprise whatsoever. Had efforts not been underway to develop smaller, more mobile weapons, that would represent a striking anomaly. That these weapons could represent a potentially disruptive breakthrough also fits the experience with the pervasive rise of disruptive technologies across sectors/industries. That the march of technological advancement might see military applications arise in the area of nanotechnologies is a realistic long-term possibility and such nanotechnologies will create real challenges from a defensive standpoint.

    IMO, military planning should never assume a static or near-static weapons environment. Instead, as in this context, defensive military capabilities will need to leverage information/technology so that the ability to respond to threats will need to move ever closer to real-time. Technology won't be frozen in time.

    They will also need to be continually cognizant of the rise of disruptive technologies that have the potential to radically shift existing technological advantages. A future innovation might give the state achieving such an innovation a qualitative edge in at least one aspect of military power. There is even a chance that some breakthrough or series of breakthroughs could broadly alter the existing global balance of power, as has happened throughout the course of history.
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The development of this highly portable cruise missile is not surprising. Throughout history, there has been a never-ending race between advances in offensive weapons technologies/capabilities and improvements in defensive technologies/capabilities. That miniaturization and portability, which have been pervasive as technology has advanced is occurring on the military front is no surprise whatsoever. Had efforts not been underway to develop smaller, more mobile weapons, that would represent a striking anomaly. That these weapons could represent a potentially disruptive breakthrough also fits the experience with the pervasive rise of disruptive technologies across sectors/industries. That the march of technological advancement might see military applications arise in the area of nanotechnologies is a realistic long-term possibility and such nanotechnologies will create real challenges from a defensive standpoint.

    IMO, military planning should never assume a static or near-static weapons environment. Instead, as in this context, defensive military capabilities will need to leverage information/technology so that the ability to respond to threats will need to move ever closer to real-time. Technology won't be frozen in time.

    They will also need to be continually cognizant of the rise of disruptive technologies that have the potential to radically shift existing technological advantages. A future innovation might give the state achieving such an innovation a qualitative edge in at least one aspect of military power. There is even a chance that some breakthrough or series of breakthroughs could broadly alter the existing global balance of power, as has happened throughout the course of history.
    Unfortunately there are some that think we are good to go with our current technologies because we can take on relatively small countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan. When it reality, missile threats are increasing exponentially, so advanced jet fighters, UAVs, and defensive anti-missile systems are extremely important to upgrade and evolve to keep up with new threats and technologies being created worldwide.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    It is likely that a carrier could handle a single cruise missile launched off a freighter. They're pretty slow. They're usually subsonic or in the low transonic region.

    If there's lots of cruise missiles from lots of freighters targeting one of our carriers, it's likely we've royally screwed up somehow.
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It is likely that a carrier could handle a single cruise missile launched off a freighter. They're pretty slow. They're usually subsonic or in the low transonic region.

    If there's lots of cruise missiles from lots of freighters targeting one of our carriers, it's likely we've royally screwed up somehow.
    Assuming there was a carrier nearby, since aircraft carriers would not be the only targets of such an attack. And a multiple cruise missile attack is exactly what we should improve upon defeating.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Assuming there was a carrier nearby, since aircraft carriers would not be the only targets of such an attack. And a multiple cruise missile attack is exactly what we should improve upon defeating.
    Somewhere in the thread the focus was on carrier vulnerability. In any case, cruise missiles are a threat to ships whether they get launched from a freighter or from a destroyer.
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Somewhere in the thread the focus was on carrier vulnerability. In any case, cruise missiles are a threat to ships whether they get launched from a freighter or from a destroyer.
    True, cruise missiles are already a threat, however, it's much easier to find a destroyer than it is to find multiple cargo ships (or wherever the containers are located) secretly hiding missiles that can be fired from anywhere. So, again, it would be in our best interest to advance our anti-missile capabilities to counter threats coming from the increase of cruise missiles worldwide.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    True, cruise missiles are already a threat, however, it's much easier to find a destroyer than it is to find multiple cargo ships (or wherever the containers are located) secretly hiding missiles that can be fired from anywhere. So, again, it would be in our best interest to advance our anti-missile capabilities to counter threats coming from the increase of cruise missiles worldwide.
    Works for me. I bet that airborne laser program could be adapted to shoot down cruise missiles from a boat fairly easily.

    edit: And by easily I mean for several billion dollars :P
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Works for me. I bet that airborne laser program could be adapted to shoot down cruise missiles from a boat fairly easily.

    edit: And by easily I mean for several billion dollars :P
    Probably should focus on advanced jet fighters, UAVs, and anti-missile missiles.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Assuming there was a carrier nearby, since aircraft carriers would not be the only targets of such an attack. And a multiple cruise missile attack is exactly what we should improve upon defeating.
    Sorta. Depends on what kind of cruise missile and how close you get. The real problem is sea skimmers. And those have been a problem even when launched from significant ranges. Flying below radar and having the capacity to evade point defense is very much different then a vanilla cruise missile.
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Works for me. I bet that airborne laser program could be adapted to shoot down cruise missiles from a boat fairly easily.

    edit: And by easily I mean for several billion dollars :P
    How so? How does a airborne laser program deal with missiles that often fly mere feet from the ocean?

    We're better off designing reactive armor for ships.
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