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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Can we be at least start to be a little teeny bit honest and remember that these particular missle systems were not covered by START.
    They should have been.

    It's the height of irresponsibility for any nation to be selling weapons like this to the terrorist nations.

    Clearly a precondition for START would be that such missile development be abandoned. Otherwise, the US should be re-building it's nuclear stockpiles because any country that sucker-punches us with one of those things should NOT expect to in the same time zone the next morning.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They should have been.

    It's the height of irresponsibility for any nation to be selling weapons like this to the terrorist nations.

    Clearly a precondition for START would be that such missile development be abandoned. Otherwise, the US should be re-building it's nuclear stockpiles because any country that sucker-punches us with one of those things should NOT expect to in the same time zone the next morning.
    And there a a very queezy feeling I had when BO POTUS said they we would not slap at countries who did not have a nuke program but even with convention al warheads these missles would be un-nice.

    Me thoinks that POYUS needs to thunk his prfemature pronouncement on nuclear proliferation !!!
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    And there a a very queezy feeling I had when BO POTUS said they we would not slap at countries who did not have a nuke program but even with convention al warheads these missles would be un-nice.

    Me thoinks that POYUS needs to thunk his prfemature pronouncement on nuclear proliferation !!!
    Yeah, don't hold your breath on that. The Messiah is surpassing Carter in his plunge for the most extreme anti-American nonsense he can come up with. If Iran launched a nuke that took out the US forces in Afghanistan, that boy in Washington would be off to Tehran to bow for someone.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seems like I've mentioned something at least twice in the last few months, most recently about a week ago, that once Iran had a nuke they could hit the USA by firing a missle from a cargo vessel just outside of our territorial waters.
    Uh...that idea has been floating around the weapons control groups for decades. Furthermore, jury-rigging cruise missiles to launch from anything large enough to hold them is about as old as the concept of cruise missiles.

    A lot of people were skeptical about that... but as I said, I wasn't just speculating. This isn't a new worry and it has been talked about at high levels.
    For years.

    The real concern is really about what types of missiles groups who could buy this have access to.

    I don't see how this is game changing compared to jury rigging launch tubes on fishing ships. And Iran could simply just ship a nuke to us and set it off in a port.
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They should have been.

    It's the height of irresponsibility for any nation to be selling weapons like this to the terrorist nations.

    Clearly a precondition for START would be that such missile development be abandoned. Otherwise, the US should be re-building it's nuclear stockpiles because any country that sucker-punches us with one of those things should NOT expect to in the same time zone the next morning.
    its a corporation, not the russian government thats sellin' 'em, and i thought most americans were for a free market?
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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    its a corporation, not the russian government thats sellin' 'em, and i thought most americans were for a free market?
    And you actually believe that this corporation could sell weapons systems without the approval of the Russian government ???

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    This relatively cheap, extra-smart, easy-to-use Club-K Container Missile System, which Moscow has put on the open market, allows cruise missiles concealed in freight containers to be launched from a prepositioned or moving land or sea platform. It is virtually undetectable by radar until activated. No wonder, Iran and Venezuela were keenly interested when the Club-K was put on the market at the Defense Services Asia exhibition in Malaysia this week for $15 million.

    Western military experts are calling it a "real maritime fear for anyone with a waterfront." The container-cum-missiles, carried by a ship, fishing vessel or truck can approach a targeted coast, highway or international railway and strike behind the target's missile defenses without alerting radar monitors or even surveillance drones and satellites.

    In Iranian hands, it would make the targeting of its nuclear facilities very difficult. Able to wipe out an aircraft carrier up to 400 kilometers away, the system's manufacturer, Novator, is directing its marketing tactics at anyone under threat of military action from the United States. One expert accused the Russians of proliferating ballistic missiles on an unheard-of scale.

    At the Malaysian exhibition, the marketing film showed the Club-K being activated from an ordinary truck. (See picture.) The truck pulls up, whereupon the container roof lifts up to reveal four 3?-54?E, 3?-54?E1 and 3?-14?E cruise missiles ready to fire. The operator then pushes a button and the missiles, which have a range of 350 km, are launched without further preparation.

    debkafile's military sources warn that the sale of Club-K cruise missile systems to Iran or Syria and their transfer to Hizballah would give them an edge substantial enough to be a game-changer into the Middle East balance of strength. They are capable of surreptitiously approaching Israeli, Iraqi and any other coastlines in the region, and send missiles flying against an American, Arab or Israeli strategic or military target before their targets know they are under attack.

    The missile specialist Novator, which maintains a manufacturing plant in Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains, produces an array of missiles against air, sea and land targets, including cruise missiles launched from submarines, as well as the advanced S-300 missile interceptor, which Russia contracted to sell Iran but has so far not delivered.


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    This is one reason why we should be working on improving our anti-missile capabilities...from having missiles systems that will shoot them down and fighter aircraft capable of doing the same.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Seems like I've mentioned something at least twice in the last few months, most recently about a week ago, that once Iran had a nuke they could hit the USA by firing a missle from a cargo vessel just outside of our territorial waters.

    A lot of people were skeptical about that... but as I said, I wasn't just speculating. This isn't a new worry and it has been talked about at high levels.
    Yep, I recall this being a discussion directly after 911. Dirty nukes in a container being detonated in the harbor of a major city.

    My thoughts at the time; great... give the idiots ideas.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yep, I recall this being a discussion directly after 911. Dirty nukes in a container being detonated in the harbor of a major city.

    My thoughts at the time; great... give the idiots ideas.

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    Another big danger is that a missile could be launched from a cargo ship off our shore with a small nuclear device on it. Exploding it 60 to 100 km above us would cripple our entire economy with an electromagnetic pulse. Our entire infrastructure would be knocked out. No transportation, electricity, water, food, computers, etc.

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    Re: Moscow markets cruise missile launched from a freight container

    Sounds like it's about time for America to get it's nose out of everyone else's country... oh wait, we have to protect business interests... never mind.

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