Page 32 of 50 FirstFirst ... 22303132333442 ... LastLast
Results 311 to 320 of 499

Thread: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

  1. #311
    don't panic
    marduc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    10-22-17 @ 04:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,301

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no one cares about your game, you don't signify, none of us do

    it's all about the people of the coast

    and obama's cheap and inept politicking in iowa, michigan, missouri...
    I am not the one playing a game here.. and I AM people of the coast, so I guess I do signify, since it is all about people like me.

    Fortunately I do not have to chase Obamas travels to see cheap and inept politicking in action . Environmental disaster be damned, there are political points to be scored!

    Edit: and we now have people plural

    LOL
    Last edited by marduc; 05-02-10 at 02:22 AM.
    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
    Drugs are bad, prohibition is worse

  2. #312
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    did you see what the times had to say about obama's non response to the OIL SPILL?

    tragic
    Last edited by The Prof; 05-02-10 at 02:22 AM.

  3. #313
    Sage

    Donc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    out yonder
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,427

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Ok, ADK, I held out as long as I could.

    My father happens to work for the minerals management service that you quote someone in another thread as stating that he didn't recommend some remote shutoff valve because of cost. My father knows that rig well, has worked in that district, and has worked offshore for over 35 years overseeing the inspection of hundreds, if not thousands, of offshore rigs starting in 1971. For crying out loud, my dad has a picture of this platform on the wall in his office! It was given to him BY THE COMPANY THAT ERECTED THE PLATFORM. Ok, so now that credibility has been established....

    You really need to stop taking your talking points from the internet. The very first article on this my father read he said had HUGE inaccuracies, starting at the simple level of "what the rig was doing when it exploded." That being said, your post has you ASSUMING some remote safety shutoff was not installed. For your information, BOP'S (blow out preventers) WERE INSTALLED ON THIS WELL, THEY JUST FAILED TO FUNCTION!! What the hell do you think the damn ROV's are down there trying to manipulate to shut off the well???? THE BOP'S!!!! There are multi million dollar BOP's sitting in 5000' of water that aren't doing their job. They are REQUIRED for drilling in US waters, and in no way did BUSH EVER SAY IT WAS OK TO NOT USE THEM. They are required to function check the BOP's every 14 days and so far there is no evidence (at least as of yet) that the BOP's were not functioning correctly in previous checks. My father knows that for a fact the MMS had been out to that rig and it passed VERY RECENT inspections without any issues being discovered.

    In conclusion, everyone did everything possible to prevent this from happening. But truth be told, dude, **** happens!

    P.S. For real man, you need to gather your information from a more reliable source. I know you WANT to do and feel right, but dude, really, this is happening in my back yard. You are VERY wrong and will be embarrassed if you keep using internet sources as your source of information. Other than the size of the oil slick and the name of the company that had the platform, I wouldn't put much faith in what you read on the net.
    Hhmm..maybe you should share some of your expertize with the Wall street journal.

    <Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device>

    <The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

    The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week.>

    <U.S. regulators don't mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by oil giant BP PLC, didn't have one. With the remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.>

    Surely it couldn't be be that BP wanted to save the cost of installing a $500k
    fail safe device while making record proofits in the first Qtr of this year would they?

    Most every other oil producing country has this device installed in addition to the ones that was installed on the rig that collapsed/blew up, whatever.


    Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device - WSJ.com
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

  4. #314
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    08-14-12 @ 11:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    I don't care who the hell said it, IT HAD STANDARD BLOW OUT PREVENTION DEVICES INSTALLED. The device they are talking about is a remote-activated device which is NOT normally installed.

    Ok, look, people. When Lilly, Katrina, Gustav and Ike came through, they knocked over dozens and dozens of these platforms. The BOP devices on ALL of them worked PERFECTLY, so you didn't hear about a DROP of oil ending up in the Gulf. Besides the loss of revenue and equipment, not much was spoken of. When BOP's work, which seems to be pretty much all the time except this one time, there isn't anything else that need be installed. How many oil spills of this magnitude have you heard of in the past, say, 40 years? Well, in 40 years not a single BOP has failed. This is the first one. To say that they were negligent in not installing a non-standard half-million dollar safety item that wasn't common at all and that is not normally used and has never been needed in the history of drilling oil in the Gulf, is absolutely asinine. And let me ask you this....who do you think knows more about these platforms? Some newspaper based out of Washington or the MMS, whos job it is to inspect these wells weekly to ensure their safety and compliance?

    Hinesight is always 20-20. That's no different than saying, after a car wreck in which the driver was killed in a side impact, that just having driver and passenger side airbags wasn't enough, it should have had side impact airbags too. Well, when this well was drilled SOP was to use a BOP, which it had.

    I am not going to argue with anyone about this. This is the absolute truth, call the MMS New Orleans district yourself if you don't believe me. But supplying me links doesn't change the facts on the ground. Considering the reliability of **** on the internet, you should know better.

    Knowing the facts of the situation at hand, this link actually has some fairly accurate information. It also has some photos on it that were sent to me by my dad the next morning after this happened. These are MMS photos, at least some of them. I've had these photos in my possession for quite a while. This debunks your crap about not having safety devices installed:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/0...-scene-photos/

    This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.
    Here is another one with some interesting photos:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/3...ulf-oil-spill/
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 05-02-10 at 02:53 AM.

  5. #315
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Humble Texas
    Last Seen
    06-25-11 @ 05:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    1,827

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Wrong Thread sorry ^^
    Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 05-02-10 at 02:52 AM.

  6. #316
    Sage

    Donc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    out yonder
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,427

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I don't care who the hell said it, IT HAD STANDARD BLOW OUT PREVENTION DEVICES INSTALLED. The device they are talking about is a remote-activated device which is NOT normally installed.

    Ok, look, people. When Lilly, Katrina, Gustav and Ike came through, they knocked over dozens and dozens of these platforms. The BOP devices on ALL of them worked PERFECTLY, so you didn't hear about a DROP of oil ending up in the Gulf. Besides the loss of revenue and equipment, not much was spoken of. When BOP's work, which seems to be pretty much all the time except this one time, there isn't anything else that need be installed. How many oil spills of this magnitude have you heard of in the past, say, 40 years? Well, in 40 years not a single BOP has failed. This is the first one. To say that they were negligent in not installing a non-standard half-million dollar safety item that wasn't common at all and that is not normally used and has never been needed in the history of drilling oil in the Gulf, is absolutely asinine. And let me ask you this....who do you think knows more about these platforms? Some newspaper based out of Washington or the MMS, whos job it is to inspect these wells weekly to ensure their safety and compliance?

    Hinesight is always 20-20. That's no different than saying, after a car wreck in which the driver was killed in a side impact, that just having driver and passenger side airbags wasn't enough, it should have had side impact airbags too. Well, when this well was drilled SOP was to use a BOP, which it had.

    I am not going to argue with anyone about this. This is the absolute truth, call the MMS New Orleans district yourself if you don't believe me. But supplying me links doesn't change the facts on the ground. Considering the reliability of **** on the internet, you should know better.

    Knowing the facts of the situation at hand, this link actually has some fairly accurate information. It also has some photos on it that were sent to me by my dad the next morning after this happened. These are MMS photos, at least some of them. I've had these photos in my possession for quite a while. This debunks your crap about not having safety devices installed:

    The Gulf oil rig explosion – on the scene photos | Watts Up With That?



    Here is another one with some interesting photos:

    NASA Satellite Tracking the Gulf Oil Spill | Watts Up With That?

    Like I posted on another site, it’s a shame when some people that claim that they like boating in clean waters stick up for the very corporations that pollute said waters.

    BP had enough profits made in about 12 minutes for them to pay for a $500 K remote-control shut-off switch; there is no other explanation, just greed. The kool- Aid drinkers are out in force lapping it up.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

  7. #317
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    08-14-12 @ 11:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Want to know the truth about this remote shutoff switch that you keep talking about? The TRUTH is it is an untested, unproven piece of equipment produced by a private company. I talked to my father this morning.

    Sorry, greed had nothing to do with it. Unless you're personally willing to shuck out 500g's on an unproven piece of equipment, then STFU because you do NOT know what you're talking about, period.

  8. #318
    Sage

    Donc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    out yonder
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,427

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    [QUOTE dontworrybehappy;

    Want to know the truth about this remote shutoff switch that you keep talking about? The TRUTH is it is an untested, unproven piece of equipment produced by a private company. I talked to my father this morning.
    One would think that redundancy of critical components of a system would be the norm in something of this magnitude.You state that it is unproven; I assume of course you can back up that claim ?

    Sorry, greed had nothing to do with it.

    BP’s profits rose 135% in the first quarter of this year, they couldn’t/wouldn’t cough up fraction of their profits for a fail safe device that most of the other oil producing countries have in place (Norway has had it in place since 1993)…What could you call it other than greed?

    Unless you're personally willing to shuck out 500g's on an unproven piece of equipment, then STFU because you do NOT know what you're talking about, period.

    Of course you know everything is the truth because your daddy told you so.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

  9. #319
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    08-14-12 @ 11:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    One would think that redundancy of critical components of a system would be the norm in something of this magnitude.You state that it is unproven; I assume of course you can back up that claim ?




    BP’s profits rose 135% in the first quarter of this year, they couldn’t/wouldn’t cough up fraction of their profits for a fail safe device that most of the other oil producing countries have in place (Norway has had it in place since 1993)…What could you call it other than greed?



    Of course you know everything is the truth because your daddy told you so.
    Let's see, my father is a petroleum enginner, what are you, Don? What credentials does someone at the New York Times or Washington Post have to comment on this? Considering my dad has more experience offshore than everyone you know put together, I tend to believe him. He would have been in charge of the MMS New Orleans District right now if we hadn't moved west. So yea.....pretty much the news, when they care to be accurate, are interviewing MMS employees. I couldn't imagine why.

    Yes I can back up the claim. Call anyone at the New Orleans office and ask them about the remote control shut off valve. Ask them if it has been tested, proven, or anything of the sort.

    There are several back up systems, including hydraulic accumulators that have enough pressure to close the BOP, open it back up, and close it AGAIN after the total loss of hydraulic pressure. That is REQUIRED BY MMS REGULATIONS. This rig had it. All the backup systems in the world don't guarantee the **** can't hit the fan.

    If you can't imagine someone who's inspected rigs like this for 35 years having more credibility than internet web sources, you are quite frankly a lost cause.
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 05-02-10 at 02:48 PM.

  10. #320
    Guru
    ADK_Forever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Last Seen
    05-07-11 @ 09:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,706

    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Ok, ADK, I held out as long as I could.

    My father happens to work for the minerals management service that you quote someone in another thread as stating that he didn't recommend some remote shutoff valve because of cost. My father knows that rig well, has worked in that district, and has worked offshore for over 35 years overseeing the inspection of hundreds, if not thousands, of offshore rigs starting in 1971. For crying out loud, my dad has a picture of this platform on the wall in his office! It was given to him BY THE COMPANY THAT ERECTED THE PLATFORM. Ok, so now that credibility has been established....

    You really need to stop taking your talking points from the internet. The very first article on this my father read he said had HUGE inaccuracies, starting at the simple level of "what the rig was doing when it exploded." That being said, your post has you ASSUMING some remote safety shutoff was not installed. For your information, BOP'S (blow out preventers) WERE INSTALLED ON THIS WELL, THEY JUST FAILED TO FUNCTION!! What the hell do you think the damn ROV's are down there trying to manipulate to shut off the well???? THE BOP'S!!!! There are multi million dollar BOP's sitting in 5000' of water that aren't doing their job. They are REQUIRED for drilling in US waters, and in no way did BUSH EVER SAY IT WAS OK TO NOT USE THEM. They are required to function check the BOP's every 14 days and so far there is no evidence (at least as of yet) that the BOP's were not functioning correctly in previous checks. My father knows that for a fact the MMS had been out to that rig and it passed VERY RECENT inspections without any issues being discovered.

    In conclusion, everyone did everything possible to prevent this from happening. But truth be told, dude, **** happens!

    P.S. For real man, you need to gather your information from a more reliable source. I know you WANT to do and feel right, but dude, really, this is happening in my back yard. You are VERY wrong and will be embarrassed if you keep using internet sources as your source of information. Other than the size of the oil slick and the name of the company that had the platform, I wouldn't put much faith in what you read on the net.
    You need to read the articles again. They weren't talking about the standard BOPs. Come back when you reread it. Then we'll talk.
    Thank You Barack Obama for Restoring Honor To The Presidency.
    President Obama will rank as one of our greatest presidents!

Page 32 of 50 FirstFirst ... 22303132333442 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •