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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

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    I think you either missed your nap, Jerry, or else had one too many. Maybe it's time to take a break...

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I gave you exactly what you asked for. Why are you still whining?
    If I remember your posts pal, it was YOU who was doing all the whining. You tried to bully and got it shoved in your face then ran away with your tail between your legs.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    If I remember your posts pal, it was YOU who was doing all the whining. You tried to bully and got it shoved in your face then ran away with your tail between your legs.
    Hmm, I'm still here.

    It seems you have an extremely poor memory.

    Now, do you have anything remotely topical to say? Hell, do you have anything to say that is relevant to the plane of reality the rest of us are on? If not, you are free to leave and **** all over some other thread.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Please, you can not be serious.
    I don't have a lot of time. These should satisfy any curiosity.

    The Wall Street Journal reported after the disaster that the rig that exploded lacked a key safety feature required in other countries to limit the enormous amounts of oil currently being pumped into the ocean (emphasis mine):

    The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling...

    U.S. regulators have considered mandating the use of remote-control acoustic switches or other back-up equipment at least since 2000. After a drilling ship accidentally released oil, the Minerals Management Service issued a safety notice that said a back-up system is "an essential component of a deepwater drilling system."

    ...By 2003, U.S. regulators decided remote-controlled safeguards needed more study. A report commissioned by the Minerals Management Service said "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly."

    According to the Journal, the device costs around $500,000. This may seem like a lot of money, until you consider the rig that exploded will cost $560 million to replace and that BP is spending $6 million a day to battle the oil spill. This is how cheap energy gets expensive, and quickly.

    That doesn't even bring into play the losses that will undoubtedly be suffered by wildlife, tourism and commercial fishing in the Gulf as a result of the calamity. These costs, often referred to as "externalities" by political economists, rarely show up at the gas pump or on our heating bill.

    A ProPublica report details how government regulators failed to require BP to account for externalities in their plans for the now-disastrous project:

    One step in the process that oil companies must go through to get approval for drilling involves submitting an exploration plan that lays out worst-case scenarios. The Huffington Post points out that MMS did not require BP — which owns the well that blew up — to file a plan for reacting to a “potential blowout,” meaning an uncontrollable spill. According to The Huffington Post’s reporting, the more limited plan BP filed with MMS predicted that if worse came to worst, a spill would release 162,000 gallons of oil. The Deepwater Horizon spill has already exceeded that prediction.

    All too often, opponents of cleaner energy cite cost as a reason not to pursue alternatives to oil, coal and gas. But isn't it time this generation learned the true cost of dirty energy in terms of both lives and treasure?
    Perhaps the government should have required this safety switch off device. Just as Exxon cried out that double-hulled tankers were too expensive and probably wouldn't help prevent disaster anyway just prior to the Valdez' hull being stripped open to the sea, Big Oil said that $500,000 was just too much money to spend on oil rig safety.

    This is an echo of the same protests of cost containment we heard from Massey Energy ahead of the explosion that killed 25 in West Virginia. Meanwhile, energy-related deaths continue to mount as a Kentucky mine collapsed this week, claiming two lives.

    The Obama Administration has wisely put their latest decision to expand offshore drilling on hold in light of the situation in the Gulf. And perhaps Deepwater Horizon, along with the recent rash of mine deaths, will encourage the Senate to consider an energy plan that would force us to account for the true cost of energy. And just maybe we could get industry to chip in on the bill with their historic profits, instead of with the valuable currency that is workers' lives and our environment.
    If Deepwater Horizon is This Generation's Exxon Valdez, How Long Will it Take Us to Learn the True Cost of Oil? | BuzzFlash.org

    Gulf oil spill: latest updates | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    t r u t h o u t | Whistleblower: BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes in Gulf

    We will be suffering from Bush's raping of this country for many, many years. Where are all the honest, America loving Republicans? When are they going to start complaining about what Don Bush and his thugs did to this country?

    Obama has to make more safety features mandatory as well as tightening up oil drilling regulations. Those ****ers don't give a **** about our country or their employees. Businesses do NOT police themselves. Those 11 workers died for oil corporation profits. It's pure and simple.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Hmm, I'm still here.

    It seems you have an extremely poor memory.

    Now, do you have anything remotely topical to say? Hell, do you have anything to say that is relevant to the plane of reality the rest of us are on? If not, you are free to leave and **** all over some other thread.
    It is a waste of time engaging you in a "topical" conversation, or any kind. You have exposed yourself as a bully who hides behind the skirts of the internet and runs away when confronted.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    At the moment the politics of this leak are not important. Stoping the leaks and doing everything possible to lesson the impact to the ecosystems of the gulf coast should be the top priority.
    That sounds suspiciously like:

    "Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock."

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    The gulf already has hundreds of miles of "dead zones" where nothing can live. That along with flesh eating bacteria, that can do a person in. And with all the poison being dumped into the gulf daily via the Mississippi river, what does a little organic oil hurt? I will not let that water touch my skin, or get in my eyes. It is a very polluted in many areas. .

    You are right. The Mississippi River is a very large effluent canal that flushes (literally) its toilet into the Gulf of Mexico every day. Sewage also pours into the Gulf from Florida and the other Gulf states, and Mexico and Cuba.

    My wife and I used to go to the Florida Gulf coast for a weekend occasionally, but it's just too goddam dirty for us anymore. The Gulf is an enormous sewer, with the concentration of impurities increasing every day.

    So, maybe some of the guys here on this thread are right. A couple million gallons of oil won't make any real difference. If you pour a little more ****t into a cesspool, who cares. Still smells the same.

    http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2583.pdf

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    We will be suffering from Bush's raping of this country for many, many years. Where are all the honest, America loving Republicans? When are they going to start complaining about what Don Bush and his thugs did to this country?

    Obama has to make more safety features mandatory as well as tightening up oil drilling regulations. Those ****ers don't give a **** about our country or their employees. Businesses do NOT police themselves. Those 11 workers died for oil corporation profits. It's pure and simple.
    I appreciate the articles that you posted, they were interesting. However, the political commentary was hyperbolic and unnecessary. T his is one of those cases where you could have let the story speak for itself.

    Unlike you, I actually live on the gulf coast. This spill will impact my area. I'm fully aware of the costs.

    Corporations will do what we as a nation require them to do. BP did the minimum that was legally required of them because WE ALL let them. Trying to blame one person for this is absolutely ludicrous and intellectually dishonest.

    America is addicted to cheap oil. The leaders of BOTH PARTIES need to use this as an opportunity to force us out of that addiction.

    This is not a partisan issue. It's an AMERICAN issue, and we are ALL responsible for it.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    You are right. The Mississippi River is a very large effluent canal that flushes (literally) its toilet into the Gulf of Mexico every day. Sewage also pours into the Gulf from Florida and the other Gulf states, and Mexico and Cuba.

    My wife and I used to go to the Florida Gulf coast for a weekend occasionally, but it's just too goddam dirty for us anymore. The Gulf is an enormous sewer, with the concentration of impurities increasing every day.

    So, maybe some of the guys here on this thread are right. A couple million gallons of oil won't make any real difference. If you pour a little more ****t into a cesspool, who cares. Still smells the same.

    http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2583.pdf
    The issue of sewage in the gulf is minor compared to agricultural runoff from the northern states via the Mississippi and other rivers that flow into the gulf.

    The Dead Zone | Healthy Waters | Our Work

    Florida has been engaged in a legal fight for YEARS with Georgia over keeping the rivers healthy to protect our local environment and seafood industry.

    However, an oil spill this massive will pose major harm.

    And, the Florida gulf coast is some of the most beautiful stretch of unspoiled water and beaches in the world. Far cleaner, clearer, and bluer than the Atlantic.



    Frankly, we don't miss tourists like you.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    For the record: If you eat meat. Or plants. Or grains. Or drive a car...

    You're responsible for the condition of the gulf and this oil spill. You're part of the problem.

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