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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Isn't this one more thing that those hardy, resilient people will have to deal with? Four storms and now this? They will survive it, too, no doubt, but wasn't this a blow they should never have had to deal with? Natural disasters are one thing, but, this was human caused; one which some are already saying was completely avoidable. Now, we see some of the consequences when oversight is shortchanged (we had two oil men in the White House for eight of the last ten years) and companies focus on short term returns on investment.
    Wow, I'm impressed. Only took 168 posts before someone blamed this on Bush.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Isn't this one more thing that those hardy, resilient people will have to deal with? Four storms and now this? They will survive it, too, no doubt, but wasn't this a blow they should never have had to deal with? Natural disasters are one thing, but, this was human caused; one which some are already saying was completely avoidable. Now, we see some of the consequences when oversight is shortchanged (we had two oil men in the White House for eight of the last ten years) and companies focus on short term returns on investment.
    I'm not sure how losing a rig, several workers and tens of thousands of barrels of oil is in their short-term interest.

    Safety is always in everyone's interest.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    … Remember you must never fail to take advantage of a good crisis for political gain.
    I think it's not about using a crisis for political gain but about using it to effect change to protect society from suffering the same avoidable negative consequences again.

    This has been the way we have established safety standards for airlines and all manner of industry: we have a catastrophe, we study the cause and effect, and we create or update the regulations. It's costly for those who suffer the initial failure but we always suffer from the attitude that we should never fix something unless it proves to us it really is broken. So often the proof is written in blood.

    I suspect there's going to be more regulation in place of voluntary compliance to established standards in offshore oil drilling. That seems sensible to me after what appears to be a horrific failure that could have been substantially avoided if a remote shutoff had been installed.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow, I'm impressed. Only took 168 posts before someone blamed this on Bush.
    It took Obama eight days to address this issue at all; Bush flew over New Orleans two days after Katrina.

    So I guess Obama hates black people too, right?

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think it's not about using a crisis for political gain but about using it to effect change to protect society from suffering the same avoidable negative consequences again.
    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I'm not sure how losing a rig, several workers and tens of thousands of barrels of oil is in their short-term interest.

    Safety is always in everyone's interest.
    I agree, safety is always in everyone's interest.

    Short-term interest means that the extra cost of installing a remote shutoff valve is not incurred because it doesn't contribute to the bottom line; of course, in the mid- to longer-term it will certainly be viewed as penny-wise and pound-foolish that that valve wasn't installed and we are witnessing the consequences.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When it comes to negative economic impact, this oil spill doesn't even register in the fact of Obama'Care.

    The deaths caused are nothing comapired to doctor's mistakes.

    The environmental impact doesn't exist when set side by side with recent volcano eruptions.

    This oil spill is a non-issue nationally, and a minor issue locally.
    Stop! Stop moving the goal posts so much. I can't hit 4 at a time.

    A "minor issue locally"? You should tell that to those fishermen and businesses that depend on the fishing industry for their living when they're standing in the Unemployment line or losing their homes.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Interesting. For you it's about one side gaining a political advantage; this is all a zero-sum game: one side gains only at the expense of the other. Aren't you the one injecting partisanship in this discussion? I think so.

    For me, I have stated that I think one of the real casualties in this emergency is Obama's offshore drilling proposal. If I was being purely partisan, at the very least, I wouldn't bring it up at all; instead, I would let it just drift away like so much sweet, light crude oil on the gentle waves of the Gulf of Mexico.
    If you think I'm the one being partisan then you truly don't get the arguments. There is nothing further to discuss with you. I care about my coast right now and the people who make it great. I don't care about the politics, either drop the 'tude or bring substance, but either way this isn't about politics.
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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I'm not sure how losing a rig, several workers and tens of thousands of barrels of oil is in their short-term interest.

    Safety is always in everyone's interest.
    Step 1: Destroy multi-million dollar rig
    Step 2: Settle lawsuits for dead oil workers.
    Step 3: Lose hundreds of thousands of gallons of your raw material.
    Step 4: Float the bill for environmental clean up, lawsuits form local fishing communities, and various fines from the government.
    Step 5: ??????
    Step 6: Profit.

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    Re: Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

    I'd like to see all these "concerned" environmentalist that feel they contribute by lecturing the rest of us put their money where their mouths are. Since you guys hate oil so much and care, lock up your homes, start walking towards La. with your dishwashing liquid and cleaning rags, swim out to the landfall sites and start cleaning some birds. Remember though, since you hate oil and want to use this as an example of why we need to stop drilling you can't use any petroleum products or byproducts, otherwise you'd be a hypocrit. Start walking, then come back and tell us lowly dirtbags how it went.
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