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Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

marduc said:
You are lagging on the "Events Obama attended today" game
The corespondents dinner needs to be your next target it is now all the rage. You should be harping on them for not moving the event onto a bunch of rubber rafts bobbing up and down on oil soaked crests with members of the press in full attendance.. heck we could have even gave Obama a bucket.. that would show the lemmings how he is doing something about it for sure!
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Glenn Beck hasn't discussed it yet. The Prof won't have anything to say about it until he does.
 
who's glen peck?

all my sources are from ny and dc

LOL!
 
ADK_Forever said:
I don't have a lot of time. These should satisfy any curiosity.

We will be suffering from Bush's raping of this country for many, many years. Where are all the honest, America loving Republicans? When are they going to start complaining about what Don Bush and his thugs did to this country?

Obama has to make more safety features mandatory as well as tightening up oil drilling regulations. Those ****ers don't give a **** about our country or their employees. Businesses do NOT police themselves. Those 11 workers died for oil corporation profits. It's pure and simple.
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Ok, ADK, I held out as long as I could.

My father happens to work for the minerals management service that you quote someone in another thread as stating that he didn't recommend some remote shutoff valve because of cost. My father knows that rig well, has worked in that district, and has worked offshore for over 35 years overseeing the inspection of hundreds, if not thousands, of offshore rigs starting in 1971. For crying out loud, my dad has a picture of this platform on the wall in his office! It was given to him BY THE COMPANY THAT ERECTED THE PLATFORM. Ok, so now that credibility has been established....

You really need to stop taking your talking points from the internet. The very first article on this my father read he said had HUGE inaccuracies, starting at the simple level of "what the rig was doing when it exploded." That being said, your post has you ASSUMING some remote safety shutoff was not installed. For your information, BOP'S (blow out preventers) WERE INSTALLED ON THIS WELL, THEY JUST FAILED TO FUNCTION!! What the hell do you think the damn ROV's are down there trying to manipulate to shut off the well???? THE BOP'S!!!! There are multi million dollar BOP's sitting in 5000' of water that aren't doing their job. They are REQUIRED for drilling in US waters, and in no way did BUSH EVER SAY IT WAS OK TO NOT USE THEM. They are required to function check the BOP's every 14 days and so far there is no evidence (at least as of yet) that the BOP's were not functioning correctly in previous checks. My father knows that for a fact the MMS had been out to that rig and it passed VERY RECENT inspections without any issues being discovered.

In conclusion, everyone did everything possible to prevent this from happening. But truth be told, dude, **** happens!

P.S. For real man, you need to gather your information from a more reliable source. I know you WANT to do and feel right, but dude, really, this is happening in my back yard. You are VERY wrong and will be embarrassed if you keep using internet sources as your source of information. Other than the size of the oil slick and the name of the company that had the platform, I wouldn't put much faith in what you read on the net.
 
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The Prof said:
i should?

why don't you?

LOL!
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Feigned outrage to manufacture political zingers off from calamity is not my game, I was just trying to keep you up to date since it appears your playbook for this pathetic little game was a bit off.
 
indeed, it was the lady who lambasted thus:

The Department of Homeland Security waited until Thursday to declare that the incident was “a spill of national significance,” and then set up a second command center in Mobile. The actions came only after the estimate of the size of the spill was increased fivefold to 5,000 barrels a day.

The delay meant that the Homeland Security Department waited until late this week to formally request a more robust response from the Department of Defense, with Ms. Napolitano acknowledging even as late as Thursday afternoon that she did not know if the Defense Department even had equipment that might be helpful.

Officials initially seemed to underestimate the threat of a leak, just as BP did last year when it told the government such an event was highly unlikely. Rear Adm. Mary E. Landry, the chief Coast Guard official in charge of the response, said on April 22, after the rig sank, that the oil that was on the surface appeared to be merely residual oil from the fire, though she said it was unclear what was going on underwater. The day after, officials said that it appeared the well’s blowout preventer had kicked in and that there did not seem to be any oil leaking from the well, though they cautioned it was not a guarantee.

(The NOAA document on a potentially far larger leak, first obtained by The Press-Register in Mobile, Ala., was described by an agency spokesman as simply a possibility raised by a staff member, not an official prediction.)

But it is still the government, in this case the Coast Guard, that has the final say. A law passed a year after the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster makes the owner of a rig or vessel responsible for cleaning up a spill. But oversight of the cleanup is designated to the Coast Guard, with advice from other federal agencies.

Rear Adm. Robert C. North, retired, who was commander of the Coast Guard’s Eighth District from 1994 to 1996, said that decisions in these situations are made collectively, but that the buck essentially stops with the federal coordinator — in this case, Admiral Landry. “The federal on-scene coordinator is kind of the one individual to say, ‘I think we need to do more’ or ‘That’s adequate,’" he said.
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ouch

BP Is Criticized Over Oil Spill, but U.S. Missed Chances to Act - NYTimes.com
 
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marduc said:
Feigned outrage to manufacture political zingers off from calamity is not my game
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no one cares about your game, you don't signify, none of us do

it's all about the people of the coast

and obama's cheap and inept politicking in iowa, michigan, missouri...
 
And to the poster who said that this was "of minimal importance locally" obviously you have no clue what you're talking about either. You didn't see the interview on the local news with a grown man basically crying on camera stating that his fishing career is basically over, its his only source of income, and right now his only source of income is renting out his fishing trawler to BP to help contain the oil.

It's estimated that it will have a multi-billion dollar effect on the fishing industry in this state alone. Maybe that's of "minimal importance" where you live, but down here in cajun country, that's a hell of a lot of money.
 
people is plural

you are singular

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
no one cares about your game, you don't signify, none of us do

it's all about the people of the coast

and obama's cheap and inept politicking in iowa, michigan, missouri...
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I am not the one playing a game here.. and I AM people of the coast, so I guess I do signify, since it is all about people like me.

Fortunately I do not have to chase Obamas travels to see cheap and inept politicking in action :2razz:. Environmental disaster be damned, there are political points to be scored!

Edit: and we now have people plural

LOL
 
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did you see what the times had to say about obama's non response to the OIL SPILL?

tragic
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Ok, ADK, I held out as long as I could.

My father happens to work for the minerals management service that you quote someone in another thread as stating that he didn't recommend some remote shutoff valve because of cost. My father knows that rig well, has worked in that district, and has worked offshore for over 35 years overseeing the inspection of hundreds, if not thousands, of offshore rigs starting in 1971. For crying out loud, my dad has a picture of this platform on the wall in his office! It was given to him BY THE COMPANY THAT ERECTED THE PLATFORM. Ok, so now that credibility has been established....

You really need to stop taking your talking points from the internet. The very first article on this my father read he said had HUGE inaccuracies, starting at the simple level of "what the rig was doing when it exploded." That being said, your post has you ASSUMING some remote safety shutoff was not installed. For your information, BOP'S (blow out preventers) WERE INSTALLED ON THIS WELL, THEY JUST FAILED TO FUNCTION!! What the hell do you think the damn ROV's are down there trying to manipulate to shut off the well???? THE BOP'S!!!! There are multi million dollar BOP's sitting in 5000' of water that aren't doing their job. They are REQUIRED for drilling in US waters, and in no way did BUSH EVER SAY IT WAS OK TO NOT USE THEM. They are required to function check the BOP's every 14 days and so far there is no evidence (at least as of yet) that the BOP's were not functioning correctly in previous checks. My father knows that for a fact the MMS had been out to that rig and it passed VERY RECENT inspections without any issues being discovered.

In conclusion, everyone did everything possible to prevent this from happening. But truth be told, dude, **** happens!

P.S. For real man, you need to gather your information from a more reliable source. I know you WANT to do and feel right, but dude, really, this is happening in my back yard. You are VERY wrong and will be embarrassed if you keep using internet sources as your source of information. Other than the size of the oil slick and the name of the company that had the platform, I wouldn't put much faith in what you read on the net.
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Hhmm..maybe you should share some of your expertize with the Wall street journal.

<Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device>

<The oil well spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch used in two other major oil-producing nations as last-resort protection against underwater spills.

The lack of the device, called an acoustic switch, could amplify concerns over the environmental impact of offshore drilling after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig last week.>

<U.S. regulators don't mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by oil giant BP PLC, didn't have one. With the remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.>

Surely it couldn't be be that BP wanted to save the cost of installing a $500k
fail safe device while making record proofits in the first Qtr of this year would they? :shock:

Most every other oil producing country has this device installed in addition to the ones that was installed on the rig that collapsed/blew up, whatever.


Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device - WSJ.com
 
I don't care who the hell said it, IT HAD STANDARD BLOW OUT PREVENTION DEVICES INSTALLED. The device they are talking about is a remote-activated device which is NOT normally installed.

Ok, look, people. When Lilly, Katrina, Gustav and Ike came through, they knocked over dozens and dozens of these platforms. The BOP devices on ALL of them worked PERFECTLY, so you didn't hear about a DROP of oil ending up in the Gulf. Besides the loss of revenue and equipment, not much was spoken of. When BOP's work, which seems to be pretty much all the time except this one time, there isn't anything else that need be installed. How many oil spills of this magnitude have you heard of in the past, say, 40 years? Well, in 40 years not a single BOP has failed. This is the first one. To say that they were negligent in not installing a non-standard half-million dollar safety item that wasn't common at all and that is not normally used and has never been needed in the history of drilling oil in the Gulf, is absolutely asinine. And let me ask you this....who do you think knows more about these platforms? Some newspaper based out of Washington or the MMS, whos job it is to inspect these wells weekly to ensure their safety and compliance?

Hinesight is always 20-20. That's no different than saying, after a car wreck in which the driver was killed in a side impact, that just having driver and passenger side airbags wasn't enough, it should have had side impact airbags too. Well, when this well was drilled SOP was to use a BOP, which it had.

I am not going to argue with anyone about this. This is the absolute truth, call the MMS New Orleans district yourself if you don't believe me. But supplying me links doesn't change the facts on the ground. Considering the reliability of **** on the internet, you should know better.

Knowing the facts of the situation at hand, this link actually has some fairly accurate information. It also has some photos on it that were sent to me by my dad the next morning after this happened. These are MMS photos, at least some of them. I've had these photos in my possession for quite a while. This debunks your crap about not having safety devices installed:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/01/the-gulf-oil-rig-explosion-on-the-scene-photos/

This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.
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Here is another one with some interesting photos:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/30/nasa-satellite-tracking-the-gulf-oil-spill/
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
I don't care who the hell said it, IT HAD STANDARD BLOW OUT PREVENTION DEVICES INSTALLED. The device they are talking about is a remote-activated device which is NOT normally installed.

Ok, look, people. When Lilly, Katrina, Gustav and Ike came through, they knocked over dozens and dozens of these platforms. The BOP devices on ALL of them worked PERFECTLY, so you didn't hear about a DROP of oil ending up in the Gulf. Besides the loss of revenue and equipment, not much was spoken of. When BOP's work, which seems to be pretty much all the time except this one time, there isn't anything else that need be installed. How many oil spills of this magnitude have you heard of in the past, say, 40 years? Well, in 40 years not a single BOP has failed. This is the first one. To say that they were negligent in not installing a non-standard half-million dollar safety item that wasn't common at all and that is not normally used and has never been needed in the history of drilling oil in the Gulf, is absolutely asinine. And let me ask you this....who do you think knows more about these platforms? Some newspaper based out of Washington or the MMS, whos job it is to inspect these wells weekly to ensure their safety and compliance?

Hinesight is always 20-20. That's no different than saying, after a car wreck in which the driver was killed in a side impact, that just having driver and passenger side airbags wasn't enough, it should have had side impact airbags too. Well, when this well was drilled SOP was to use a BOP, which it had.

I am not going to argue with anyone about this. This is the absolute truth, call the MMS New Orleans district yourself if you don't believe me. But supplying me links doesn't change the facts on the ground. Considering the reliability of **** on the internet, you should know better.

Knowing the facts of the situation at hand, this link actually has some fairly accurate information. It also has some photos on it that were sent to me by my dad the next morning after this happened. These are MMS photos, at least some of them. I've had these photos in my possession for quite a while. This debunks your crap about not having safety devices installed:

The Gulf oil rig explosion – on the scene photos | Watts Up With That?



Here is another one with some interesting photos:

NASA Satellite Tracking the Gulf Oil Spill | Watts Up With That?
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Like I posted on another site, it’s a shame when some people that claim that they like boating in clean waters stick up for the very corporations that pollute said waters.

BP had enough profits made in about 12 minutes for them to pay for a $500 K remote-control shut-off switch; there is no other explanation, just greed. The kool- Aid drinkers are out in force lapping it up.
 
Want to know the truth about this remote shutoff switch that you keep talking about? The TRUTH is it is an untested, unproven piece of equipment produced by a private company. I talked to my father this morning.

Sorry, greed had nothing to do with it. Unless you're personally willing to shuck out 500g's on an unproven piece of equipment, then STFU because you do NOT know what you're talking about, period.
 
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Want to know the truth about this remote shutoff switch that you keep talking about? The TRUTH is it is an untested, unproven piece of equipment produced by a private company. I talked to my father this morning.
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One would think that redundancy of critical components of a system would be the norm in something of this magnitude.You state that it is unproven; I assume of course you can back up that claim ? :confused:

Sorry, greed had nothing to do with it.
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BP’s profits rose 135% in the first quarter of this year, they couldn’t/wouldn’t cough up fraction of their profits for a fail safe device that most of the other oil producing countries have in place (Norway has had it in place since 1993)…What could you call it other than greed?

Unless you're personally willing to shuck out 500g's on an unproven piece of equipment, then STFU because you do NOT know what you're talking about, period.
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Of course you know everything is the truth because your daddy told you so.:rofl
 
donc said:
One would think that redundancy of critical components of a system would be the norm in something of this magnitude.You state that it is unproven; I assume of course you can back up that claim ? :confused:




BP’s profits rose 135% in the first quarter of this year, they couldn’t/wouldn’t cough up fraction of their profits for a fail safe device that most of the other oil producing countries have in place (Norway has had it in place since 1993)…What could you call it other than greed?



Of course you know everything is the truth because your daddy told you so.:rofl
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Let's see, my father is a petroleum enginner, what are you, Don? What credentials does someone at the New York Times or Washington Post have to comment on this? Considering my dad has more experience offshore than everyone you know put together, I tend to believe him. He would have been in charge of the MMS New Orleans District right now if we hadn't moved west. So yea.....pretty much the news, when they care to be accurate, are interviewing MMS employees. I couldn't imagine why.

Yes I can back up the claim. Call anyone at the New Orleans office and ask them about the remote control shut off valve. Ask them if it has been tested, proven, or anything of the sort.

There are several back up systems, including hydraulic accumulators that have enough pressure to close the BOP, open it back up, and close it AGAIN after the total loss of hydraulic pressure. That is REQUIRED BY MMS REGULATIONS. This rig had it. All the backup systems in the world don't guarantee the **** can't hit the fan.

If you can't imagine someone who's inspected rigs like this for 35 years having more credibility than internet web sources, you are quite frankly a lost cause.
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Ok, ADK, I held out as long as I could.

My father happens to work for the minerals management service that you quote someone in another thread as stating that he didn't recommend some remote shutoff valve because of cost. My father knows that rig well, has worked in that district, and has worked offshore for over 35 years overseeing the inspection of hundreds, if not thousands, of offshore rigs starting in 1971. For crying out loud, my dad has a picture of this platform on the wall in his office! It was given to him BY THE COMPANY THAT ERECTED THE PLATFORM. Ok, so now that credibility has been established....

You really need to stop taking your talking points from the internet. The very first article on this my father read he said had HUGE inaccuracies, starting at the simple level of "what the rig was doing when it exploded." That being said, your post has you ASSUMING some remote safety shutoff was not installed. For your information, BOP'S (blow out preventers) WERE INSTALLED ON THIS WELL, THEY JUST FAILED TO FUNCTION!! What the hell do you think the damn ROV's are down there trying to manipulate to shut off the well???? THE BOP'S!!!! There are multi million dollar BOP's sitting in 5000' of water that aren't doing their job. They are REQUIRED for drilling in US waters, and in no way did BUSH EVER SAY IT WAS OK TO NOT USE THEM. They are required to function check the BOP's every 14 days and so far there is no evidence (at least as of yet) that the BOP's were not functioning correctly in previous checks. My father knows that for a fact the MMS had been out to that rig and it passed VERY RECENT inspections without any issues being discovered.

In conclusion, everyone did everything possible to prevent this from happening. But truth be told, dude, **** happens!

P.S. For real man, you need to gather your information from a more reliable source. I know you WANT to do and feel right, but dude, really, this is happening in my back yard. You are VERY wrong and will be embarrassed if you keep using internet sources as your source of information. Other than the size of the oil slick and the name of the company that had the platform, I wouldn't put much faith in what you read on the net.
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You need to read the articles again. They weren't talking about the standard BOPs. Come back when you reread it. Then we'll talk.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Want to know the truth about this remote shutoff switch that you keep talking about? The TRUTH is it is an untested, unproven piece of equipment produced by a private company. I talked to my father this morning.
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You sound like a spokeman for BP. Most European countries have this safety feature. NONE of the rigs in the gulf do.

Sorry, greed had nothing to do with it. Unless you're personally willing to shuck out 500g's on an unproven piece of equipment, then STFU because you do NOT know what you're talking about, period.
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So far, neither do you.

STFU? Wow. You must be really mad. You need to do some more research.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
hey guys no problem the Coast Guard is thinking of burning the slick !!!
Wow that will be the biggest napalm demonstration since Khe San !!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE VIDEO!!!!


So will the Palin Pukes chant BURN BABY BURN !!!!!!!! ?? ?
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I think you need to get a serious reality check. What do you think will happen if this slick was lit on fire. Stop and think.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Let's see, my father is a petroleum enginner, what are you, Don? What credentials does someone at the New York Times or Washington Post have to comment on this? Considering my dad has more experience offshore than everyone you know put together, I tend to believe him. He would have been in charge of the MMS New Orleans District right now if we hadn't moved west. So yea.....pretty much the news, when they care to be accurate, are interviewing MMS employees. I couldn't imagine why.

Yes I can back up the claim. Call anyone at the New Orleans office and ask them about the remote control shut off valve. Ask them if it has been tested, proven, or anything of the sort.

There are several back up systems, including hydraulic accumulators that have enough pressure to close the BOP, open it back up, and close it AGAIN after the total loss of hydraulic pressure. That is REQUIRED BY MMS REGULATIONS. This rig had it. All the backup systems in the world don't guarantee the **** can't hit the fan.

If you can't imagine someone who's inspected rigs like this for 35 years having more credibility than internet web sources, you are quite frankly a lost cause.
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My father was a math professor, so I'll now be the official mathematics consultant here at Debate Politics. :2razz:
 
dontworrybehappy

Let's see, my father is a petroleum enginner, what are you, Don?
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What am I? I am an avid boater (who happens to be a (CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY) that enjoys boating in CLEAN UNPOLLUTED WATERS. :2wave:


What credentials does someone at the New York Times or Washington Post have to comment on this? Considering my dad has more experience offshore than everyone you know put together, I tend to believe him. He would have been in charge of the MMS New Orleans District right now if we hadn't moved west. So yea.....pretty much the news, when they care to be accurate, are interviewing MMS employees. I couldn't imagine why.
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What credentials does someone in the "news media" have to comment on this? :shock:

Surely you must be jesting when you say that the news media shouldn’t be commenting on an oil slick the size of several of our States and growing.

Yes I can back up the claim. Call anyone at the New Orleans office and ask them about the remote control shut off valve. Ask them if it has been tested, proven, or anything of the sort.
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Gotta phone number? In the mean time check this out.


< When oil wells rupture and surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. In the case of The Deepwater Horizon, the primary shut-off system failed to work. Indeed, remote control systems such as the acoustic switch, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort.>

Ruptured oil well not fitted with auto-shut off device

And this.

< Even worse, 95 percent of Atlantis' subsea welding records did not receive final approval, calling into question the integrity of thousands of crucial welds on subsea components that, if they were to rupture, could result in an oil spill 30 times worse than the one that occurred after the explosion on Deepwater Horizon last week.>

OpEdNews - Article: Whistleblower: BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes in Gulf


There are several back up systems, including hydraulic accumulators that have enough pressure to close the BOP, open it back up, and close it AGAIN after the total loss of hydraulic pressure. That is REQUIRED BY MMS REGULATIONS. This rig had it. All the backup systems in the world don't guarantee the **** can't hit the fan.
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Seems to me, considering the environment it would be the perfect “cant get enough suspenders and belt situation”.


If you can't imagine someone who's inspected rigs like this for 35 years having more credibility than internet web sources, you are quite frankly a lost cause.
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Any more opinions you want to add? :rofl
 
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The Prof said:
i talk about OBAMA

you talk about ME

definition of a personality whore

LOL!

did you hear what obama was pitching in michigan?

in front of the kids?

while the gulf was turning black with goo?

tsk tsk
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Haven't you ever heard of a paragraph?:roll:
 
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