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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Sounds good to me. Too often we are stuck voting between a crappy Democrat and a crappy Republican. If the solution is keep voting until someone decent gets elected, so be it.
    Some states have runoff elections now, requiring that the winner get at least 50% of the vote, and if nobody does, the top two face each other again. That's almost the same thing.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Some states have runoff elections now, requiring that the winner get at least 50% of the vote, and if nobody does, the top two face each other again. That's almost the same thing.
    Almost. But in the end what do you end up with? The same two crappy people you had when you first voted. It's like having Bush, Kerry and several candidates from small parties on the ballot. You vote and no one gets 50%, so they drop the small parties and we are left with what? Bush and Kerry. Which is clearly what any person with a brain simply does not want. Put None of the Above and if that wins we get new candidates.

    I know this is not practical, so there is no need to bother pointing it out! But a cyborg can dream, right?
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Almost. But in the end what do you end up with? The same two crappy people you had when you first voted.
    Not necesssarily. It allows more than two to have a shot.

    It's like having Bush, Kerry and several candidates from small parties on the ballot. You vote and no one gets 50%, so they drop the small parties and we are left with what? Bush and Kerry. Which is clearly what any person with a brain simply does not want.
    Let's not get judgmental.

    Put None of the Above and if that wins we get new candidates.
    Ah, so instead of a Democrat and a Republican, you get...another Democrat and another Republican.

    What's that solve?

    If you don't like the candidates the party puts up, you can vote in a primary.

    The bottom line is this - as long as we have a winner-take-all system, we're going to have just two parties, because additional parties can't win.

    I know this is not practical, so there is no need to bother pointing it out! But a cyborg can dream, right?
    I think Arizona has, or did have, a none of the above option.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Not necesssarily. It allows more than two to have a shot.
    Actually, it only ensures two get a shot! Everyone else is gone after the first vote.

    Let's not get judgmental.
    I can't help it.

    Ah, so instead of a Democrat and a Republican, you get...another Democrat and another Republican.

    What's that solve?
    It does not solve the entire problem, true. But two good candidates are still superior to what we generally get.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    Actually, it only ensures two get a shot! Everyone else is gone after the first vote.
    Everyone gets a shot IN the first vote though. That's more than most elections, where the final two viable choices are already on the ballot.

    But again, it's all about the winner take all system. It makes no sense to vote for anyone but one of the top two in that system. You waste your vote. Just like votes for losers in one district or state that could be used to support someone else are "wasted." Their voices aren't heard.

    The only way to give everyone a voice is proportional representation.

    Of course, the representatives then go to a legislature and use the winner take all system to vote on legislation, but at least they can form different coalitions for different bills instead of doing it all at once at election time.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    We are going to force you to pick one of two bad parties so we can reaffirm the idea that the two party system is working!
    No... you can always not mark your ballot.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I'm fine with this only as long as hey change the voting system to allow multiple parties to get voted into office, such as IRV. Otherwise, mandatory voting does nothing but mandate either Democrats or Republicans get elected.
    1: Nothnig in the law stops this now
    2: You can always not mark your ballot.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    In other news, proposals for voter death panels are moving through the legislature.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No... you can always not mark your ballot.
    Meh, I'd rather not waste my time showing up.

    Consider the wait when everyone has to vote, this idea is stupid.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In other news, proposals for voter death panels are moving through the legislature.
    NO NO NO It's the NON Voters who will be put to death. Stay on message !!!
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