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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    I remember in Brazil voting was (is) mandatory. When you vote, you get a receipt of sorts that verifies you voted. This receipt is like a piece of gold. You can't open a bank account, register a business, apply to post-secondary, and many other things without that receipt.

    I'm not sure how I feel about it. Voter apathy is growing in modern democracies, rendering them less effective. For instance, in Canada's last Federal election, 40% of the country didn't vote. That means that the politicians in Parliament are only representing 60% of the total country.

    On the other hand... forcing people to vote means they might not make an informed choice. They'll vote just because they have to, instead of feeling that it's their civic duty.

    I think I could be in favor of it. By forcing people to vote, it could make more people become politically aware.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Why would be want to make voting mandatory!! Think about it people!
    Do we not have enough idiots voting and putting buffoons into office ?
    Why expand upon the already known problem?
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I remember in Brazil voting was (is) mandatory. When you vote, you get a receipt of sorts that verifies you voted. This receipt is like a piece of gold. You can't open a bank account, register a business, apply to post-secondary, and many other things without that receipt.
    Interesting setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm not sure how I feel about it. Voter apathy is growing in modern democracies, rendering them less effective. For instance, in Canada's last Federal election, 40% of the country didn't vote. That means that the politicians in Parliament are only representing 60% of the total country.
    I'm sure some or most of those elected in such less effective democracies are perfectly happy with the reduced effectiveness. And probably work to increase it. But lets not go too tin-foil hat here.

    Other factors probably include the decrease in interest about government, more focus on keeping the personal budgets balanced, due to the declining economies, and so forth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    On the other hand... forcing people to vote means they might not make an informed choice. They'll vote just because they have to, instead of feeling that it's their civic duty.
    Which is one reason it's a bad idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think I could be in favor of it. By forcing people to vote, it could make more people become politically aware.
    Except if your previous point holds true.

    I personally think it a really bad idea.

    Other means of getting more people to the polls would be better.

    In fact, it seems to me that if we can only increase the level of corruption and insanity in government, more people will notice and try to do something.

    Then again, there are those who consider the current system (in the USA) to be non-functional, and as a result choose not to vote.

    Has anyone looked into this issue (that of poor participation in the voting process) lately? I haven't heard about it.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Down Under, voting is compulsory and enforced by a $50 (shock, horror!) fine. However, it's still possible to put in an 'informal' vote (i.e. it's not counted) by spoiling your ballot.

    I am personally in favour of it for two reasons: firstly, participation in the political process fosters a greater sense of community and secondly, voting outcomes are made more legitimate by every member of a community participating in the decision.

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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Down Under, voting is compulsory and enforced by a $50 (shock, horror!) fine. However, it's still possible to put in an 'informal' vote (i.e. it's not counted) by spoiling your ballot.

    I am personally in favour of it for two reasons: firstly, participation in the political process fosters a greater sense of community and secondly, voting outcomes are made more legitimate by every member of a community participating in the decision.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Do you let illegals vote ? Sorry could not help it !!!!
    Eh, they've got it easier, what with the natural moat and all...
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Eh, they've got it easier, what with the natural moat and all...
    That be right !!! Your problem get eaten by the sharks if your illegals try to swin in. lol hey long swim from Indonesia eh!
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post

    Having said that, boy am I ever against this. Just the thought about how they can even enforce this would be Orwellian to a frightening level.
    Just imagine how much worse things would get, at a faster pace, if this became a national trend.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    I am personally in favour of it for two reasons: firstly, participation in the political process fosters a greater sense of community and secondly, voting outcomes are made more legitimate by every member of a community participating in the decision.
    That may be the case Down Under, but it would be quite different here. We are already highly divided as a nation, and having everyone required to vote would make it worse. My reasoning behind this is that most who don't vote here aren't very informed and they just lumber along like the good little sheep they are. Otoh, if the uninformed who just coast through life start voting, we won't have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting back to some form of fiscal sanity.
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    Re: Proposal to make voting mandatory....

    They need to fix problems with the voter system before trying to demand everyone vote.

    How is it possible to pull off, anyway?

    Let's say, for example, I'm sick with the flu - and so are 2 of my kids. How would they approach this, with a fine, chastisement or punishment? Would they accept a delayed vote? (of course not).

    Would they provide childcare for that brief amount of time? Of course not

    Transportation? Nope, not that either.

    If they're going to require something that's actually a cumbersome trouble for some - and just not possible due to life's unexpected drama - without giving flex - then they shouldn't be trying to force it.

    Not voting doesn't always mean you don't want to vote or wouldn't if you could get to the voting booth. Yet Others (I believe) who don't vote shouldn't vote because they don't have an awareness of the issues, thus, no opinions. That's how my first vote went - I went there and had no clue who on earth some of the people were or what the various issues were - I should have considered things and taken an interest. To this day I don't know the ramifications of my blind voting and regret going through with guessing. Thus, they should be encouraging informed voting rather than blanket voting.
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