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Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

Nope !! Bush II was not a draft dodger. He was a draft avoider. You want a draft dodger go see Chenney or Clinton or Limbaugh.

or Biden or Dean

Lots of people were draft avoiders. however, flying NG jets was hardly safe compared to say being an REMF like Gore was. Just Ask Dean Paul Martin (assuming you can speak to the dead)
 
Source please.

Sure thing.
May 24, 1972: Bush, who has moved to Alabama to work on a US Senate race, gets permission to serve with a reserve unit in Alabama. But headquarters decided Bush must serve with a more active unit.

Sept. 5, 1972: Bush is granted permission to do his Guard duty at the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery. But Bush's record shows no evidence he did the duty, and the unit commander says he never showed up.
George W Bush and the F-102

or...
Bush left Houston May 15, 1972 and went to work on a political campaign in Alabama. His first request for a transfer on May 24 was denied because the unit was inactive. His second request on September 5 to a different unit was granted. He was issued a direct order to report on specific days to the base, which he completely ignored. The order was issued on September 15 to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air Force base in Montgomery, AL, on the dates of “7-8 October 0730-1600, and 4-5 November 0730-1600” His orders, dated Sept. 15, 1972, said: "Lieutenant Bush should report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, DCO, to perform equivalent training." [Boston Globe 5/23/00] http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc11.gif

· His Commanding Officer, William Turnipseed, says he did not show up.

"To my knowledge, he never showed up," Turnipseed said last month. [Boston Globe 5/23/00] In interviews last week, Turnipseed and his administrative officer at the time, Kenneth K. Lott, said they had no memory of Bush ever reporting. ''Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not,'' Turnipseed said. ''I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered.'' Turnipseed also reports that the then-squadron operations officer of the Alabama Guard also has no recollection of having seen Bush.(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

“Furthermore, a spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush has not named a single one of them.”(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

· There is no official National Guard record for George W. Bush’s service in Alabama.
Bush's Top 10 Lies

For most of us common folk, we would have been reported AWOL and been dishonorably discharged, and more, for desertion. But, not for Bush.

Ya your claims have been debunked.

You're invited to provide your evidence. Just saying it, doesn't make it so.
 
Sure thing.

George W Bush and the F-102

or...

Bush's Top 10 Lies

For most of us common folk, we would have been reported AWOL and been dishonorably discharged, and more, for desertion. But, not for Bush.



You're invited to provide your evidence. Just saying it, doesn't make it so.

hmmm I believe that desertion can only be charged during a time of war just it has been a few days since I read the UCMJ.

I do beleive that Bush II used his "influence" factor to avoid getting into trouble for not reporting to a duty station within a reasonbably designated time.
 
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You know in all seriousness we can make fun of "Curious" George and his ghost written book but guess what ? None of us have to buy it if wwe do not want to or ead it if given to us or free.
 
hmmm I believe that desertion can only be charged during a time of war just it has been a few days since I read the UCMJ.

You are absolutely correct.
George W. Bush joined the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group of the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, during the Vietnam War. He committed to serve until May 26, 1974
George W. Bush military service controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe we didn't get out of Nam until 1975. that would make Bush eligible for the big "D", and I don't mean Dallas. :mrgreen:

I do beleive that Bush II used his "influence" factor to avoid getting into trouble for not reporting to a duty station within a reasonbably designated time.

Yeah, sounds like daddyo, and some really bad record keeping, certainly helped out his little party boy... again.
 
At least George II served in some form of a military capacity and we cannot that about the odd trio of Chenney, Limbaugh, and Bill.
 
Putting aside partisan politics and how one views the former President's tenure in office, the book might well provide a learning opportunity. One might be able to better understand the President's decision making, how he viewed events, what risks he had to confront, what trade-offs he believed were inherent in his decisions, his "big picture" view of the context in which the U.S. found itself, his perceptions concerning the unfolding economic crisis that likely has been the seminal event of the first decade of the 21st century (if not longer), etc. Reading such books can allow one greater insight into a President's tenure. I, for one, will look forward to reading the book when it is published.

A fair point donsutherland(as usual).

I believe that the usual suspects have already made up their minds as to GWB reasons/motivations for what he did while in office, and any such memoir of his that states any differently will be viewed as a lie by them. Its a zero sum game in that regard. Luckily GWB never tried to do anything to woo that particular crowd.
 
After reading some of the comments on this thread:

I am a little concerned by the lack of legitimate interest people have about the Bush II era. Turtling oneself into partisan rhetoric cannot eliminate the fact that Bush was a very, very important US President. Everyone should be hopeful that there is a morsel of sincerity and honesty in this book.
 
After reading some of the comments on this thread:

I am a little concerned by the lack of legitimate interest people have about the Bush II era. Turtling oneself into partisan rhetoric cannot eliminate the fact that Bush was a very, very important US President. Everyone should be hopeful that there is a morsel of sincerity and honesty in this book.

There won't be. All political books, except for a bare handful, are written by ghostwriters.
 
A fair point donsutherland(as usual).

I believe that the usual suspects have already made up their minds as to GWB reasons/motivations for what he did while in office, and any such memoir of his that states any differently will be viewed as a lie by them. Its a zero sum game in that regard. Luckily GWB never tried to do anything to woo that particular crowd.

Partisanship cuts boths ways. I am sure that people made up their minds about Clinton's book(s) based upon what they thought about his politics or his party. Or the fact that he did 'party'.
 
There won't be. All political books, except for a bare handful, are written by ghostwriters.


I disagree.

Elite Politicians are intellectuals whether we think their accent and ****ty public speaking ability lends credit to the fact.
 
Partisanship cuts boths ways. I am sure that people made up their minds about Clinton's book(s) based upon what they thought about his politics or his party. Or the fact that he did 'party'.

They were idiots too. Nobody is absolved here.
 
I disagree.

Elite Politicians are intellectuals whether we think their accent and ****ty public speaking ability lends credit to the fact.

Uh, that wasn't an opinion. Most political books are written by ghostwriters. A minimum of searching will reveal the true authors.
 
After reading some of the comments on this thread:

I am a little concerned by the lack of legitimate interest people have about the Bush II era. Turtling oneself into partisan rhetoric cannot eliminate the fact that Bush was a very, very important US President. Everyone should be hopeful that there is a morsel of sincerity and honesty in this book.

I think there is a huge interest in what really went on during the Bush debacle. But, we won't learn anything from most of the bush gang. Many disillusioned Republican appointees have already written much on the Bush years.

I'm holding out for a nice tell-all from Powell. Hey, one can dream... :mrgreen:
 
I actually think people from the left should want to read this book. For the most part they didn't agree with President Bush and this gives them a chance to understand why President Bush did some of the things he did. They will be missing an opportunity here I feel.
 
I actually think people from the left should want to read this book. For the most part they didn't agree with President Bush and this gives them a chance to understand why President Bush did some of the things he did. They will be missing an opportunity here I feel.

Oh, I'll look at it. I'll probably scan through it in Borders. If it's the polished whitewash I expect, I won't read any more of it. If it actually has any depth, and there's a good sale on, I just might buy it. Maybe when they put it outside the store on a clearance sale. :cool:
 
Aside from the easy oxymoron of "Bush writing a book", when even Condi Rice warned his administration that, "He's not a big reader", does anybody believe Bush actually wrote a book when during his 8 years in office he probably didn't read one?


I doubt he wrote it himself, but there's nothing unusual about the famous and renouned having someone write a memoir based on his/her recollections and personal thoughts. If he were a writer, I would expect him to write his own books.

Will Bush come down to earth and admit to making mistakes?
Will he fill in any missing time from his National Guard service?
Will he admit his "No child left behind" was a colossal failure as it actually caused more work for our nations teachers due to more testing and being hugely under funded?
Will there be any confessions on his lies that caused us to invade an innocent country?
Will he admit invading Iraq was his plan even before he took office?
Will he confess to ignoring Clinton's heated warnings about Bin Laden when he first took office?
Will he tell us why Ashcroft starting flying on private jets just before 9/11?
Will he tell the truth about Cheeney's and Rove's and Libby's conspiracy to out a covert CIA agent and why he never fired anyone after he told the nation he would?
Will he speak to Rove's involvement in firing those U.S. Attorneys who didn't do Rove's political hack work?
Will he admit that Cheeney actually ran everything and worked him like a puppet?
Will he tell us why he suddenly grew a backbone when he defied Cheeney's constant requests to pardon Libby?

A memoir is not the same thing as a journal or True Confessions magazine.:roll: Decisions and actions of every president are based on what he believes to be the best course of action to take, as it should be. The presidency is not a popularity contest except during the election season.

If former President Bush did in fact meet all your listed requirements, would it change your perception of him as a human and a man? Would it make you feel better? If so, why?

He never cared about what the American people thought of him while he was our president. This will be no different.

It wasn't his job to care about what the American people thought of him. It was his job to do what he believed was the right thing to do, regardless of how people felt about him. I didn't agree with much of what he did, but I do believe he performed the job with dignity and class.
 
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