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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Two Ivy League degrees and he isn't all that bright? Granted, I am not a big fan of the man, but you have to give him his due...
    He had many positive attributes. He was no dummy, but he was a bit ignorant and surrounded himself with a lot of bad people.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How do you know this?
    St Edward in Austin Texas do have legacy points as well However, I still think he got their by being a trust fund baby himself. I am not saying he is stupid, or anything mostly I am saying that is the only reason he got to go to Yale is because he had family connections.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

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    Cozening Cheney cheated the Constitution with his consistent claims that CIA coverts could be compromised,
    Armitage leaked Plame's name.

    that his company cronies could capitalize on the Iraq conflict,
    A) Halliburton was the only company on the planet capable of the task charged to them in Iraq.

    B) It wasn't his company, Cheney didn't make dime one off the Iraq war because he entered into a voluntary but compulsory contract which legally bound him to give the profits off of his stock options to charity, the only money Cheney got from Halliburton was the money which he received with his severance package which he was entitled to and which could neither go up or down regardless of how well or poorly Halliburton did.

    that coercion through torture was cool
    The current legal definition of torture both in domestic and international law is completely subjective and I don't consider waterboarding to cause severe mental or physical harm to the subject.

    and constant surveillance of the country's citizens was compulsory.
    No citizens phones were tapped only foreign calls coming into the country from known terrorist operatives were tapped, now if those known terrorist operatives called into the country the person receiving the call may have likewise had their phones tapped, but I believe that would stand up to probable cause and that their phones should have been tapped.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How do you know this?
    I know the University of Georgia does (or did when I was a grad student there) because it was the subject of considerable controversy at the time. It was reported at the time that this was a common practice for both public and private universities.
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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    He had many positive attributes. He was no dummy, but he was a bit ignorant and surrounded himself with a lot of bad people.
    Not arguing this. As I said, I am not a big fan of his, but the man DOES have two Ivy League degrees, and it seems a lot of people seem to think that this isn't a big deal. Then again, both the presidents of Taiwan and the U.S. have Harvard Law degrees .....
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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I know the University of Georgia does (or did when I was a grad student there) because it was the subject of considerable controversy at the time. It was reported at the time that this was a common practice for both public and private universities.
    I mean how do you know Bush "earned" his way into Yale?

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    He had many positive attributes. He was no dummy, but he was a bit ignorant and surrounded himself with a lot of bad people.
    I agree and I think both he and President Obama do a poor job speaking off script that make people think they are not as smart as they really are. I also do not doubt the fact that President Bush read a lot. I think the number is a bit skeptical that he really read as much as he said. But it does not change the fact I do think he is in fact a relatively smart man.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    St Edward in Austin Texas do have legacy points as well However, I still think he got their by being a trust fund baby himself. I am not saying he is stupid, or anything mostly I am saying that is the only reason he got to go to Yale is because he had family connections.
    are you familiar with Yale's admissions policies circa 1964?



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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I agree and I think both he and President Obama do a poor job speaking off script that make people think they are not as smart as they really are. I also do not doubt the fact that President Bush read a lot. I think the number is a bit skeptical that he really read as much as he said. But it does not change the fact I do think he is in fact a relatively smart man.
    former white house counsel and Yale Law School graduate Lanny Davis said Bush had incredible intelligence in several areas including figuring out what motivated a person and getting people to like him. for example, when Bush rushed a fraternity at Yale, all the pledges met with the members for a cocktail party. The president of the fraternity then asked the pledges to name the other pledges. There were approximately 50 men and Bush was able to accurately name every person there.

    Not exactly the sign of a stupid man and a talent that would serve politicians pastors or salesmen very well.

    When I was in college, one of my 7 suitemates was a Chess Master. HIs public speaking skills were not well developed. One of our other suitemates was the best public speaker at Yale and became a supreme court clerk, and a top guy in both the BUsh 1 white house counsel's office and later Bush II's DOJ. He was brilliant but he was no where near as smart as the Chess master. The best chess player there was a guy named Mike Rohde. He was an IM before he ever entered college and a grandmaster now. It was said that his IQ was beyond the charts. Yet having spent a fair amount of time talking to him when he would come over to hang out with the other player, you would never know it.

    Intelligence comes in many different forms just as athletic talent does. If you only say measured athletic talent as say pure foot speed, you might claim that Michael Phelps or Pete Sampras were not great athletes. Same with measuring Bush on how he speaks.



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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Same with measuring Bush on how he speaks.
    I agree with your post and I left that part out of my original post because I was rushing to get back to my studies. But I have no doubt that President Bush was smarter than he was when he spoke. And similarly most people when they hear my talk think I am not as smart as I really am and they are surprised by my papers and analysis of things. I am not saying that I am smarter than President Bush, although I would like to think I am, or any of the people you mention. But rather it is not uncommon for fairly well educated and intelligent people to have difficult in public speaking or when speaking come across less intelligent than they really are.

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