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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Most Americans don't even understand "liberal" ideology; they just vote Democrat because their union rep tells them to, or because their parents were Democrats, or because the media has fed them a bunch of nonsense about hope and change.
    Don't you get tired of pulling stuff out of your ass? Come on, you can do better than this.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Don't you get tired of pulling stuff out of your ass? Come on, you can do better than this.



    Unions do try to influence people to vote democratic.
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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No they aren't.



    If you're too lazy to debate, just say so.
    If I thought you were capable of debating without resorting to blatant intellectual dishonesty, then I would have no problem engaging you.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Unions do try to influence people to vote democratic.
    Of course. That's not what he said though.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    If I thought you were capable of debating without resorting to blatant intellectual dishonesty, then I would have no problem engaging you.
    Lazy excuse.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

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    I agree about Lieberman. But we can also consider the "Blue Dog Democrats", which is hardly a great descriptor of leaders with various positions. The perception is one of being the moderate. In reality, moderates hold a great deal of power when, especially when your own party is in power.
    Well, moderates are not liberals, they're moderates. I'm not talking about them.

    A lot of the individuals I study, like the late Senators Henry Jackson and Daniel P. Moynihan stayed with the Democratic party, but from time to time endorsed Republican candidates and platforms, despite having significant difference of opinion with the establishment Republican manifesto, if it were to be described in such a way.

    There is a somewhat justified feeling that that era of liberals have been pushed aside in favor of those more sympathetic to the New Left, but the reality is more difficult than that. Take notice with how Robert Kennedy transformed himself from a McCarthy fan and into a champion of the New Left against the war in Vietnam.

    Do we know what path John Kennedy would have chosen? No. Do we know what path he likely would have chosen in the short-run? More-so.
    I got no beef with moderate Democrats and blue-dogs. I know a lot of them, and they're mostly just regular folks, salt of the Earth type people; none of them are apprised of "liberal" ideology, though, which is my real concern.

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Unions do try to influence people to vote democratic.
    So do most groups. One example that springs to mind in the news lately is the Tea Party.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

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    So do most groups. One example that springs to mind in the news lately is the Tea Party.



    I am not forced to be in a tea party, nor am I forced to pay dues.
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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Actually, you are.



    Most registered Democrats are "moderates" or simply abstain from assuming an ideological label. Most Americans don't even understand "liberal" ideology; they just vote Democrat because their union rep tells them to, or because their parents were Democrats, or because the media has fed them a bunch of nonsense about hope and change.



    Liberal ideologues, especially...
    You realize that your chart does not show what you claimed, right? If you would have went just a little further down, you would have discovered that the party is basically split between moderates and liberals, 38 % top 40 %, or roughly within the margin of error.

    Ideologues are ideologues, no matter the party or lean.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I am not forced to be in a tea party, nor am I forced to pay dues.
    I turned down a chance to join a union, as did the people I work with.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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