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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

cholla said:
Would you PLEASE read the damn law, then post.
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Sec. 5. Title 13, chapter 29, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by
2 adding sections 13-2928 and 13-2929, to read:
3 13-2928. Unlawful stopping to hire and pick up passengers for
4 work; unlawful application, solicitation or
5 employment; classification; definitions]adding sections 13-2928 and 13-2929, to read:
3 13-2928. Unlawful stopping to hire and pick up passengers for
4 work; unlawful application, solicitation or
5 employment; classification; definitions
6 A. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR AN OCCUPANT OF A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS STOPPED
7 ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY TO ATTEMPT TO HIRE OR HIRE AND PICK UP
8 PASSENGERS FOR WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR
9 IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC.
10 B. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO ENTER A MOTOR VEHICLE THAT IS
11 STOPPED ON A STREET, ROADWAY OR HIGHWAY IN ORDER TO BE HIRED BY AN OCCUPANT
12 OF THE MOTOR VEHICLE AND TO BE TRANSPORTED TO WORK AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION IF
13 THE MOTOR VEHICLE BLOCKS OR IMPEDES THE NORMAL MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC
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Given that is how day labour is typically hired by indpendant contractors, it sort of makes day labour as typically practiced illegal

Notice how it does not say anything about illegal immigrants in this section
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Given that is how day labour is typically hired by indpendant contractors, it sort of makes day labour as typically practiced illegal

Notice how it does not say anything about illegal immigrants in this section
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No, not entirely correct.

It makes it against the law for an "illegal" to solicate or take a day labor job. It makes it illegal to pick up any day labor from from the street. There are "day labor" hiring spots in Phoenix metro area where day laborers and people who want to hire them can go.
If you are an American, or legally in American you can work as a day labor. You just can't camp out at Home Depot to try and get a job.

Yes it makes it against the law to hire or be hired if you are in the USA illegally. Whats the problem with this?
 
mike2810 said:
No, not entirely correct.

It makes it against the law for an "illegal" to solicate or take a day labor job. It makes it illegal to pick up any day labor from from the street. There are "day labor" hiring spots in Phoenix metro area where day laborers and people who want to hire them can go.
If you are an American, or legally in American you can work as a day labor. You just can't camp out at Home Depot to try and get a job.

Yes it makes it against the law to hire or be hired if you are in the USA illegally. Whats the problem with this?
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No it does not

If you read the relavent section which I posted it says it says nothing about the person being an illegal immigrant.

The section after what I posted does show that it is illegal to transport illegals
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
No it does not

If you read the relavent section which I posted it says it says nothing about the person being an illegal immigrant.

The section after what I posted does show that it is illegal to transport illegals
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Yes but you did not include Section C. :doh
I'll make it clearer. The law does make it against the law to hire someone from the street. Agree? This hopefully will stop the soliciting at Home Depot for example.

I stated that there are legal day labor places in the metro area where you can hire day labors. Did you know that? If you are an American or legally in the US you can use those services for work.

Part C states of the same section you quoted states. "It is unlawful for a person who is unlawfully present in the United States and who is an unauthorized alien to knowling apply for work, solicate work in a public place, or perform work as employee or independent contractor in this State"

Section C is where it points to the "illegals".

Not sure if you got a draft copy of SB1070.
 
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Arizona is correct in trying to identify illegals. They broke the law coming into this country, and they break the law by staying here. They also break the law by working in this country. So that means they are criminals.

Arizona is not the only State or the first to try to find solutions to the illegal immigration problems. California voters wanted to do deal with the financial burden of illegal immigration by passing Proposition 187, however, a judge and Gov Davis killed it, even though the majority of California voters wanted it.

The States need to do more; the Tenth Amendment preserves the traditional police powers of the states to control their own jurisdictions, so they are well within their rights to do what they can to solve their problems concerning interior illegal-immigration enforcement issues.
 
Gill said:
Great contribution to the discussion.... very relevant. :roll:
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It highlights the stupidity of the pro illegal movement therefore very relevant.
 
obama: immigration this year is just gonna have to be up to the republicans

washingtonpost.com

LOL!

no leadership

no guts

no valora
 
Texas is soon to follow the great state of Arizona in passing tough laws. Remember, there are already laws but no one is allowed to inforce them for fear of being called a racist. So to all cities and states that want to boycott Arizona business activities Texas will be glad to kick up the price of oil 5,000%to all you gutless scum, pro-alien-invasion trash (that would sell your homes if this tide of jobless slop moved in to your neighborhood).
 
rhinefire said:
Texas is soon to follow the great state of Arizona in passing tough laws. Remember, there are already laws but no one is allowed to inforce them for fear of being called a racist. So to all cities and states that want to boycott Arizona business activities Texas will be glad to kick up the price of oil 5,000%to all you gutless scum, pro-alien-invasion trash (that would sell your homes if this tide of jobless slop moved in to your neighborhood).
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I'm not in favor of illegal immigration I'm opposed to the possibility of going to jail because I don't carry my passport around.

edit: Also, you just called a group of human beings "slop." Do you feel good about that?
 
So I've heard so much hype about this bill, I just want to know the truth. I heard that you only need to provide ID when police have "legal contact" (aka, when you commit a crime). If so, what is the problem? Is it so terrible that you have to identify yourself when you commit a crime? I don't see anywhere that you have to have ID carried around with you all of the time. But think about this, don't you carry your driver's license pretty much everywhere you go? (Of course, I don't like the idea of forcing people to carry around ID, but again, I don't think that this bill requires that)

If what I've heard is true, then I don't see the big deal. Arizona has a HUGE kidnapping problem (Phoenix has the second highest kidnapping rate in the world), a huge violent crime problem, and they have to pay for benefits for these people. Why not allow them to enforce the federal law if the feds aren't going to do it?
 
phattonez said:
So I've heard so much hype about this bill, I just want to know the truth. I heard that you only need to provide ID when police have "legal contact" (aka, when you commit a crime). If so, what is the problem? Is it so terrible that you have to identify yourself when you commit a crime?
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It also means if you get stopped for speeding or a tail light being out. The term legal contact means any justified interaction with the police. Which by the way, has not been expanded in any way by this new law.

I don't see anywhere that you have to have ID carried around with you all of the time. But think about this, don't you carry your driver's license pretty much everywhere you go? (Of course, I don't like the idea of forcing people to carry around ID, but again, I don't think that this bill requires that)
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I lived in Arizona for 19 years, and everyone must have a state recognized legal ID and carry it with them in public. That's been the law for at least 25 years there. Having been stopped years ago while walking home, I was informed of this law. What they did when I didn't have my ID, was ask me questions like my name, address, date of birth, etc.. then they called it in to make sure all my information matched their records. Today, they would simply pull you up on the computer in their cars and make sure the info and photo matched.

Federal law states that if you are a legal immigrant, you must carry your green card with you at all times. That's been the law for over 50 years.

If what I've heard is true, then I don't see the big deal. Arizona has a HUGE kidnapping problem (Phoenix has the second highest kidnapping rate in the world), a huge violent crime problem, and they have to pay for benefits for these people. Why not allow them to enforce the federal law if the feds aren't going to do it?
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You would think it wouldn't be a big deal, but right now the left is desperate to paint the right as racists to preserve their political power. So they will lie and distort the context of this law all day long, as they've been doing since it was signed.
 
Grim17 said:
It also means if you get stopped for speeding or a tail light being out. The term legal contact means any justified interaction with the police. Which by the way, has not been expanded in any way by this new law.



I lived in Arizona for 19 years, and everyone must have a state recognized legal ID and carry it with them in public. That's been the law for at least 25 years there. Having been stopped years ago while walking home, I was informed of this law. What they did when I didn't have my ID, was ask me questions like my name, address, date of birth, etc.. then they called it in to make sure all my information matched their records. Today, they would simply pull you up on the computer in their cars and make sure the info and photo matched.

Federal law states that if you are a legal immigrant, you must carry your green card with you at all times. That's been the law for over 50 years.



You would think it wouldn't be a big deal, but right now the left is desperate to paint the right as racists to preserve their political power. So they will lie and distort the context of this law all day long, as they've been doing since it was signed.
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Agreed, there is a lot of misinformation and lies being spread about this law. Facts and logic seem to be lost on some people.
 
Deuce said:
I'm not in favor of illegal immigration I'm opposed to the possibility of going to jail because I don't carry my passport around.

edit: Also, you just called a group of human beings "slop." Do you feel good about that?
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You're not a citizen?

Then obey the law and carry whatever documentation the law says you're supposed to carry.

If you don't want to obey the law, quit yer whining and go back to wherever it was you came from.
 
Grim17 said:
You would think it wouldn't be a big deal, but right now the left is desperate to paint the right as racists to preserve their political power. So they will lie and distort the context of this law all day long, as they've been doing since it was signed.
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They've been playing the Race Card since they got it from the Clintons.

Since they don't have any other argument, it's the only card they can play.

The Messiah's departure in 2012 should pretty much retire that worn out thing.

Real Americans are tired of being called racist just becuase they're trying to save the country from the socialists.
 
Porchev said:
Agreed, there is a lot of misinformation and lies being spread about this law. Facts and logic seem to be lost on some people.
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The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket.

If I get pulled over for speeding in Minnesota, I'm getting a ticket and that's the end of it. Speeding is against the law, but having my passport in my dresser is not. My problem is that in Arizona, I can be detained for something that isn't a crime.

Is that really so hard to understand, folks?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
They've been playing the Race Card since they got it from the Clintons.

Since they don't have any other argument, it's the only card they can play.

The Messiah's departure in 2012 should pretty much retire that worn out thing.

Real Americans are tired of being called racist just becuase they're trying to save the country from the socialists.
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Yadda yadda straw man blah blah real Americans blah socialists yadda.
 
Deuce said:
The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket.

If I get pulled over for speeding in Minnesota, I'm getting a ticket and that's the end of it. Speeding is against the law, but having my passport in my dresser is not. My problem is that in Arizona, I can be detained for something that isn't a crime.

Is that really so hard to understand, folks?
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Just have your passport number tattooed to your arm. Simple.
 
Deuce said:
The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket.

If I get pulled over for speeding in Minnesota, I'm getting a ticket and that's the end of it. Speeding is against the law, but having my passport in my dresser is not. My problem is that in Arizona, I can be detained for something that isn't a crime.

Is that really so hard to understand, folks?
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Solved: Carry your drivers license when driving.....:roll:
 
Deuce said:
The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket. If I get pulled over for speeding in Minnesota, I'm getting a ticket and that's the end of it. Speeding is against the law, but having my passport in my dresser is not. My problem is that in Arizona, I can be detained for something that isn't a crime.

Is that really so hard to understand, folks?
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Would you please stop lying your ass off and READ THE GD LAW!

There are 4 forms of ID that are considered legal, and having your passport on you (if you are an American citizen) isn't one of them. If you have a drivers license, then you are assumed to be in the country legally. If you are not an American citizen, then you are required by FEDERAL LAW to have either your passport on you, or your green card.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


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