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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

Poor, nationalistic Scarecrow. The problem with shouting "Mine!" is that there are people who will look at your European ancestry, migrant laborers' Amerindian ancestry, and simply laugh in your face at your audacity. If you want to play this little game of nationalism, there will always be those who are able and willing to give you a taste of your own medicine. :2wave:

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I'm not about repatriating Europeans to Europe. But you'll force my hand in exposing the irony of the consistent and logical application of these nationalist sentiments, and the hypocrisy of avoiding such application.
 
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All this law does is acknowledge the fact that it is a crime in Arizona to be in the country illegally. Imagine that!

The new Arizona law also makes it illegal for employers to hire illegal immigrants or knowingly transport illegal immigrants. It would also require that police officers question people about their immigration status if there is reason to believe they are in the country illegally. The final element of the bill would allow for lawsuits against government agencies that prevent the enforcement of immigration laws. Any immigrant who cannot prove that they are in the country legally will be arrested, fined $2,500 and thrown in jail for up to six months.

It is about f-ing time!
 
AZ bill has some of the same provisions as Oklahoma HB1804 passed in 2007.
The latest I could find is the courts only threw out a few provisions dealing with employers/employee hiring and firing. Parts in OK law regarding its illegal to harbor or transport illegals has not been thrown out by the courts.


Appeals Court Rejects Key Provisions of Oklahoma Immigration Law | Human Resources News

This makes me think that most of the AZ law will pass court review.
 
AZ bill has some of the same provisions as Oklahoma HB1804 passed in 2007.
The latest I could find is the courts only threw out a few provisions dealing with employers/employee hiring and firing. Parts in OK law regarding its illegal to harbor or transport illegals has not been thrown out by the courts.


Appeals Court Rejects Key Provisions of Oklahoma Immigration Law | Human Resources News

This makes me think that most of the AZ law will pass court review.

Harboring and transporting an illegal immigrant could be easily seen as aiding and abetting (sp) so would generally be fine I think
 
AZ bill has some of the same provisions as Oklahoma HB1804 passed in 2007.
The latest I could find is the courts only threw out a few provisions dealing with employers/employee hiring and firing. Parts in OK law regarding its illegal to harbor or transport illegals has not been thrown out by the courts.


Appeals Court Rejects Key Provisions of Oklahoma Immigration Law | Human Resources News

This makes me think that most of the AZ law will pass court review.

There is nothing in the Oklahoma bill that authorizes police officers to arrest people on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.
 
Poor, nationalistic Scarecrow. The problem with shouting "Mine!" is that there are people who will look at your European ancestry, migrant laborers' Amerindian ancestry, and simply laugh in your face at your audacity. If you want to play this little game of nationalism, there will always be those who are able and willing to give you a taste of your own medicine.

And here are yours

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Nothing to see here. Just another full fledged member of la reconquista.

He puts his race above his country. The KKK would be proud if he was white.
 
Can't we just agree that racism, no matter who it is practiced by, is stupid?
 
Can't we just agree that racism, no matter who it is practiced by, is stupid?

Of course but he is taking it a step further claiming his racial ties make any enforcement of immigration law illegal against "his" people. I and most of the people in here who support the law support enforcement against all illegals regardless of their heritage or race.
 
It looks like these common sense laws that highlight that illegals are illegal, are going to spread to other States:

Lawmaker wants to bring Arizona immigration law to Utah

Lawmaker wants to bring Arizona immigration law to Utah - Salt Lake Tribune

"...drafting a bill that would require immigrants to carry proof of status and require law enforcement officers to question anyone they believe is in the country without documentation. The bill also would target employers who hire or transport undocumented immigrants as a preventive measure against the swell of undocumented immigrants he predicts would come to Utah from Arizona once the law there takes effect."
 
Of course but he is taking it a step further claiming his racial ties make any enforcement of immigration law illegal against "his" people. I and most of the people in here who support the law support enforcement against all illegals regardless of their heritage or race.

Then maybe you should support laws that do just that, instead of laws that can be used to discriminate against a certain group of people in the name of removing illegals.
 
Then maybe you should support laws that do just that, instead of laws that can be used to discriminate against a certain group of people in the name of removing illegals.

How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?
 
How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?

Anyone is targeted if the police officer feels like it. Apparently that is good enough to bypass the 4th amendment now.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Funny how selective conservatives get when they support bills like this. Only targets illegals my ass.

edit: Did it occur to you that you only seem to rail about personal rights when it supports your personal political beliefs?
 
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How does it discriminate against a specific group when it targets all illegals?

You don't listen very well. Nobody here is arguing against a law that targets illegals. They are arguing against a law that requires anyone to submit documents to police proving that they are legal or face being arrested. That gives the police quite a bit of power to find anyone with brown skin and ask for their papers. The law is too broad and gives the police too much discretion. If the law did only target illegals, then very few people would be complaining. But the law is poorly written and so it can serve as a tool of discrimination.
 
Anyone is targeted if the police officer feels like it. Apparently that is good enough to bypass the 4th amendment now.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Funny how selective conservatives get when they support bills like this. Only targets illegals my ass.

edit: Did it occur to you that you only seem to rail about personal rights when it supports your personal political beliefs?

Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.
 
Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.

Two separate problems. A badly written state bill that can discriminate and an inactive federal government are two entirely independent problems.
 
You don't listen very well. Nobody here is arguing against a law that targets illegals. They are arguing against a law that requires anyone to submit documents to police proving that they are legal or face being arrested. That gives the police quite a bit of power to find anyone with brown skin and ask for their papers. The law is too broad and gives the police too much discretion. If the law did only target illegals, then very few people would be complaining. But the law is poorly written and so it can serve as a tool of discrimination.


Hey you got a problem with that??? Who started the problem in the 1st place???


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yeah! It was the ****ing MEXICANS!
If people want to get mad.... get mad at the ILLEGAL MEXICANS that broke the mother ****ing LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the LEGAL mexicans here get mad at the ILLEGAL ones.

But bottom line is when they get pulled over and get asked for license and registration and they dont have one..... that isnt profiling.

Illegals dont deserve ANYthing from our Country except a kick in the ass BACK to Mexico! Break OUR laws to enter our Country and expect us to be gracious? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

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Is the real problem this bill or the fact that the federal government does not enforce the law protecting our borders.

This bill lets a police officer detain you until your documents are proven valid based on a "suspicion."

So yes this bill is the problem.
 
Hey you got a problem with that??? Who started the problem in the 1st place???


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yeah! It was the ****ing MEXICANS!
If people want to get mad.... get mad at the ILLEGAL MEXICANS that broke the mother ****ing LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the LEGAL mexicans here get mad at the ILLEGAL ones.

But bottom line is when they get pulled over and get asked for license and registration and they dont have one..... that isnt profiling.

Illegals dont deserve ANYthing from our Country except a kick in the ass BACK to Mexico! Break OUR laws to enter our Country and expect us to be gracious? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

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I'm sorry but I have to ask:

Are you a real person?
 
This bill lets a police officer detain you until your documents are proven valid based on a "suspicion."

So yes this bill is the problem.

Yes this bill is a problem. Has anyone on this site recommended a better solution. We know that the Federal government, under several administrations has dropped the ball on this.
 
Hey you got a problem with that??? Who started the problem in the 1st place???


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH yeah! It was the ****ing MEXICANS!
If people want to get mad.... get mad at the ILLEGAL MEXICANS that broke the mother ****ing LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

Let the LEGAL mexicans here get mad at the ILLEGAL ones.

But bottom line is when they get pulled over and get asked for license and registration and they dont have one..... that isnt profiling.

Illegals dont deserve ANYthing from our Country except a kick in the ass BACK to Mexico! Break OUR laws to enter our Country and expect us to be gracious? HELL NO!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you for the laugh.
 
Thank you for the laugh.


You think its funny huh?
YOU pay for their Illegal tax dollar taking, law breaking tails bub. If you want to bend over and take it in the out door its all you man.

Maybe you dont understand how much they are stealing from you???

Well here ya go!


Someone has finally fixed an approximate taxpayer cost of between 12 million and 15 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S.
A new study by the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector found a household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year.
Over the course of the household's lifetime that tax burden translates to $1.1 million.

If the lower figure of 12 million illegal aliens is used for estimation purposes, the total tax burden translates to $2.2 trillion.
"Would any of us buy shares in a company that we knew would produce a loss of a million dollars a share," asks Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, in response to the study. "Cheap labor is not cheap at the cost of over a million dollars per head of household."
Rector's study, "The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer," examines the economics of the 17.7 million American households made up of people without a high-school degree. Using numbers from the Census Bureau, the Congressional Research Service, the Bureau of Labor Standards and other government agencies, Rector determined what they earn, what they spend and what they receive in government services.
About half of the 17.7 million households studied are illegal aliens. About two-thirds of illegal alien households are headed by someone without a high school degree. Only 10 percent of native-born Americans fit into that category.
"Over the next ten years the total cost of low-skill households to the taxpayer (immediate benefits minus taxes paid) is likely to be at least $3.9 trillion," Rector writes. "This number would go up significantly if changes in immigration policy lead to substantial increases in the number of low-skill immigrants entering the country and receiving services."
 
The sky is not falling...


"...The law specifically bans picking up someone just because they are Hispanic or even because the person was originally from Mexico or any other country you can read a copy of the law right here. Anyone arrested for a crime must have their immigration status determined before they are released. Thus, it is not just Hispanics who will be required to provide evidence of citizenship, but so will all whites, blacks and Asians. If the eligibility for public services depends on citizenship, again, everyone who applies, regardless of race, will have to provide an ID. In other circumstances, law enforcement officials must have reasonable suspicion, not based simply on the person's race or origin, that the individual is an illegal alien before they can ask to check someone's ID.

Police today already have to deal with the "reasonable suspicion" standard all the time in other areas of law enforcement, and most understand very well how this standard limits what they can do. Police know that they can't pull over drivers for fear that they are smuggling drugs just because they are black. "Reasonable suspicion" requires that the known facts and circumstances are sufficient to convince a person of "reasonable prudence" that a crime has been committed. Obviously in a state such as Arizona, with an estimated half a million illegal immigrants, the vast majority OF illegal aliens are going to be Hispanic. But the reasonableness standard used by Arizona specifically requires something other than just race or national origin..."

FOXNews.com - Fears of Arizona's Immigration Law Are Bogus
 
Anyone is targeted if the police officer feels like it. Apparently that is good enough to bypass the 4th amendment now.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Funny how selective conservatives get when they support bills like this. Only targets illegals my ass.

edit: Did it occur to you that you only seem to rail about personal rights when it supports your personal political beliefs?

You are asked for your ID at banks, when you apply for a job and anytime you are stopped by police without it ever once violating the 4th ammendment so your claims that this law is any different is completely false.
 
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