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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

The probable cause is the issue.

Just what is going to be probable cause?


Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?


If just once an American citizen or legal immigrant is stopped for either of those two reasons I hope that PD and the state is sued and for millions of dollars.

Purdy much and if they can produce proof of citizenship, they have nothing to worry about.
 
The probable cause is the issue.

Just what is going to be probable cause?


Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?

If just once an American citizen or legal immigrant is stopped for either of those two reasons I hope that PD and the state is sued and for millions of dollars.

How silly.....Would it be OK if one of us HOPE that YOU get vicitimized by an illegal alien?
Who ya gonna call? The local cops, that is who....and suppose they ask you for ID so they know who they are dealing with. Will you refuse?

I found a young lady's ID and credit card on a sidewalk once, flagged down a cop and told him about it. Guess what, he asked for ID !!!
And I showed it to him. Maybe I should have refused a lawful order and gotten some jail time just to show him I can't be pushed around. That would certainly be the macho thing to do...yeah, that's the ticket....:2razz:
 
Way to over react....you want to bankrupt a state just to minimize the potential of Law Enforcement inconveniencing a few citizens while trying to rid the state of an incredible tax burden that exists because some foreigners want to live in America and don't want to go about it legally.

Not to worry, the state won't pay out much in lawsuits. You can't claim much of a loss in your life based on the few minutes it takes to dig out your ID....

A few citizens of a specific ethnicity will be inconvenienced. Not all citizens. As such it is discriminatory.

And the state will be force to pay punitive damages which tend to be rather large in the US.

If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law
 
A few citizens of a specific ethnicity will be inconvenienced. Not all citizens. As such it is discriminatory.

And the state will be force to pay punitive damages which tend to be rather large in the US.

If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law

You don't know much about the law....how will anyone make the state pay punitive damages? Juries may try it, have in the past I am sure, and judges always throw them out if the jury is being stupid...
 
How silly.....Would it be OK if one of us HOPE that YOU get vicitimized by an illegal alien?
Who ya gonna call? The local cops, that is who....and suppose they ask you for ID so they know who they are dealing with. Will you refuse?

I found a young lady's ID and credit card on a sidewalk once, flagged down a cop and told him about it. Guess what, he asked for ID !!!
And I showed it to him. Maybe I should have refused a lawful order and gotten some jail time just to show him I can't be pushed around. That would certainly be the macho thing to do...yeah, that's the ticket....:2razz:

And what if you were not carrying your ID?. Like if you going out for a walk, a run, or a bike ride. There is no reason to be carrying one in those cases. Should the PD then arrest you for not being able to produce your ID. Good plan for a free country.
 
You don't know much about the law....how will anyone make the state pay punitive damages? Juries may try it, have in the past I am sure, and judges always throw them out if the jury is being stupid...

Punitive damages are rewarded to punish the offending party as a means to encourage a change in behaviour of the party doing the wrong and to encourage other parties from not engaging in similar actions.

Passing a law that will be discrimniatory in nature, and most definately in enforcement would certainly be worthy of having punitive damages awarded
 
Purdy much and if they can produce proof of citizenship, they have nothing to worry about.

If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?
 
The probable cause is the issue.

Just what is going to be probable cause?


Looking Mexican? Speaking Spanish?
Since the probable cause caveat has been in effect in every state for years, how is it different now?


If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?

If they have probable cause.
 
That link is broken. The State of Arizona took it down.... and now I am curious as to what they are hiding!

That is odd I should have down loaded the text when it was available. Did you try lookeing for another link? I had taken a quick look when it was avaolable and the law didn't look all that bad on the surface. In fact looked ok but it really does bother that the link is down. MAYBE TOO MANY HITS ?

here is a link that works
http://www.pdfdownload.org/pdf2html.../legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf&images=no
 
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How are the police to know if anyone is an immigrant? If you dont carry your id at all times how will the police be able to tell if you are or are not an immigrant?


As for being required by law to carry ID at all times. I mocked the UK when they were going to make it a law to force its citizens to carry ID at all times. I would mock the Canadian government, and I mock Arizona for becoming a psuedo fascist state.

Under no circumstances will I produce ID if all I am doing is walking down the street in a free country. Under no circumstances will I as a free person respond to any unreasonable question by the police if I have been doing nothing wrong.


I can not wait untill this law results in the arrest of an Ameircan citizen because they look like they are Mexican. I will enjoy it greatly when that person sues the state, the police dept for discrimination and wins. I hope that person gets a massive judgement that bankrupts the state


With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.
 
With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.

I am all for enforcing boarder security. However I am not for having the government discriminate against legal residents because of their ethnicity, I am not for the government requiring me (or anyone for that matter) to carry ID at all times.

You have something called the consitution and the bill of rights. It applies to all Americans, including those that look "Mexican"
 
the feds have IGNORED this problem for too many YEARS....kudos to Arizona for saying enough is enough!!! :applaud
 
Law enforcement makes arrests mostly on complaints. If a citizen files a criminal complaint that involves illegals, the sheriff MUST act.
Would you have it any other way?

Actually, a citizen does not have to file a complaint in order for a police officer to invoke "reasonable suspicion", and "reasonable suspicion can mean a lot of things. So, again, what in your honest opinion constitutes reasonable suspicion?
 
immigration is thrust upon this unprepared president

according to jfkerry, immigration's move up is climate legislation's relegation to back burner status

Senators postpone climate bill unveiling - Yahoo! News

cap and trade is kaput, what jfkerry's cobbling is a climate compromise

but lindsey graham was the route to 41 and the south carolina rhino said immigration is a deal breaker---on climate

according to reuters (it happens to be true), without lindsey there will be no bill

meanwhile, immigration is explosively divisive WITHIN the caucus

Democrats divided on immigration - Kasie Hunt - POLITICO.com

ask jason altmire, he's the stupak'er responsible maybe more than any for passage of obamacare

ask raul grijalva

american politics in the sixteen long months of obama have been very bitter, angry, narrow, hot

things are going to get a lot uglier

immigration has been thrust upon obama
 
I feel this law was justified because Obama has not done enough and Napolitano is a poor excuse for comments she has made in the past about the border problem.

I have nothing against immigrants as long as they have their passports and or greencards handy. There may be a long waiting period to get these but that is not Arizona's fault. Something had to be done and I praise the Senators and people that were involved for this bill.

Obama and company were too busy with the HC bill to pay attention to the border crimes and I remember Hillary stating awhile back and apology to Mexico that the war on drugs is our fault. It was something very close to that effect.

The government needs to get the immigrants granted their papers more quickly. That's one of the biggest problems, imo.

As an immigrant I am oh so glad that you “have nothing against immigrants” and maybe I should feel so blessed. :roll:

Now based upon you scenario I would have to carry my passport or keep it handy. I no longer have my green card since as part of the Naturalization process the Dept of Justice (Justice was responsible for Naturalizations back then) required me to surrender it to them.

So I ask you since you “have nothing against” me an immigrant why should I be forced to have my passport “handy” if I am traveling internally and not in a foreign country since you obviously are not making that a requirement for my fellow American citizens ? So just because I came to this country as an immigrant at age 2 -2 1/2 I would have to carry an “internal passport” just as people had to in the old Soviet Union ?
 
And what if you were not carrying your ID?. Like if you going out for a walk, a run, or a bike ride. There is no reason to be carrying one in those cases. Should the PD then arrest you for not being able to produce your ID. Good plan for a free country.

Even if you don't have your ID on you, you can give your info to the officer and with his mobile unit in his car he can punch up a copy of your ID.

If it is an illegal, it won't be there.

Why is everyone acting like this will turn Arizona into a police state?

If a few US citizens have to be asked for their ID to prevent even one more death, I say they put up with it, and 70% of the Arizona voters say the same. It shouldn't matter to anyone else.
 
I am all for enforcing boarder security. However I am not for having the government discriminate against legal residents because of their ethnicity, I am not for the government requiring me (or anyone for that matter) to carry ID at all times.

You have something called the consitution and the bill of rights. It applies to all Americans, including those that look "Mexican"

I also " am all for enforcing boarder security" and absolutely am against "having the government discriminate against legal residents". I also do not want the government to require me or any other legal permanent resident citizen or non citizen born here or abroad to carry ID at all times.

As I pointed out in another post that is what the Soviet Union did - they required their captives ( aka Soviet citizens) to carry an internal ID card which noted their ethnicity and which Republic they lived in. Yet we amm know that the Soviet Union was a Socialist -Communist so called caountry but is that what we want here ??
 
Wow! Just, wow! This bill is a colossal error.

The bill is a winner on many levels.

1. It sends a message across the nation. DC is useless, states, do it on your own.

2. It puts Obama in the open. Americans didn't want the last illegals bill, and they like this move. Obama shovels another few for his grave if he takes this on. Hope he does.

3. It exposes the left and RINOs. May this be an added straw to help us get rid of both.

4. It makes illegals feel unwelcome. As it should be.

5. It might trigger other states to crack down too. The ice is broken.

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If Arizona wants to do this they should put up check points and check the citizenship of each and every person they stop, be they caucasian, hispanic, asian or african. Lets see how many Arizona residents woudl then support this law

If that is what it takes to rid our state of law breakers, so be it. Let's have a sweep every weekend until we get the illegals all deported...
 
Punitive damages are rewarded to punish the offending party as a means to encourage a change in behaviour of the party doing the wrong and to encourage other parties from not engaging in similar actions.

Passing a law that will be discrimniatory in nature, and most definately in enforcement would certainly be worthy of having punitive damages awarded

I know what punitive damages are....I grew up in this country. Born here as well...
Do you have proof that punitive damages have ever been assessed against a government?
 
If you are out for a run (and have done nothing illegal) and the police demand to see your ID and you do not have it, should the police arrest you?
Sure, if they have reason to believe that you are a criminal....
 
With an attitude like this, I guess there is no solution to the problem, whether it be at the hands of the Federal Government or a State Government.

So let's all just lie down and continue to let our borders be overrun! In the end, that is what is wanted anyway. It's all part of the GREAT conspiracy to bring this superior country to its knees.

Makes me wonder why Mexico hasn't had a revolution...if things suck so bad there, why haven't they changed their government as many times as it takes to make things nice enough that they don't have to sneak into the USA.
 
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