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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

If a person is legal to vote and don't, who's fault is that?

My point, and my frustration. Maybe, things happen for a reason, and it will get them off their asses to vote.

You go to kmart a kid is being a brat and the parents are allow it to occur, whose fault is it? The parents.

Minorities refuse to vote, persons from that have right tendencies get elected. It is the Minorities right.
 
I'm not a republican. That was your second mistake.

Your first one was assuming liberal politicians are your buddies.

You made the mistake assuming I am a liberal. I don't assume anything. So you are telling me Conservative politicians can be trusted?
 
Require the US Government to Enforce the law, and protect our border. Don't allow them to give excuses for not doing this any longer. Make them do the sweeps. They stand back and watch the border states do their job.
And they let our state absorb the cost.

Get Kyle and McCain to get off their puts to put pressure on DHS. They wait to use this as campaigning point.

Individual states have little influence in what the USA does.....
I suppose state law enforcement could routinely deliver illegals caught up in crime sweeps to McCain and Kyl, but they would just release them...
 
It is amazing the lengths liberals will go for the race card.

There are between 15-20 million illegals in this country.

Mexico is the #1 supplier.

Arizona is on the border with Mexico.

Are we supposed to throw logic completely out the window and pretend that most illegals in Arizona aren't Mexican?

And this law states that you cannot be stopped under suspeicion of being illegal. It has to be because of another crime the police suspect.

But the libs don't want to admit that. Nooooo. Lets keep building up the false racist argument.

Wow if you are a minority, you are liberal?

Your spin is good. the law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." Define probable cause for violating an immigration law. Let see what is the action? Looking Mexican?
 
.......I agree that the feds should have the lead. The Feds have not done much. Maybe they will now.

Oh sure, like whine a lot, as Obama is already doing?

Arizona is doing nothing more than what the Feds should have done, years ago.
 
Actually, he is correct, texmaster. Immigration is a FEDERAL issue. That is the federal government has an immigration enforcement body and the states do not.

He said crime is a state issue.


Jan Brewer signed her own recall papers when she signed that bill.


A recall of the govener would be by the voters of this state and 70% support the law, Not a lot of recall happening there.

The SCOTUS will likely throw it out.... and when it does Arizona is going to have egg on its face.

Of course this remains to be seen.
 
if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections

Really, so your assumption is that only persons who don't pay takes elect democrats? Wow.
 
......My country club is full of rich white women who voted for Obama so they could tell themselves they really were not "racist" even though that guy stood for everything that is hostile to their lifestyles.........

Nail on Head~~~one huge step closer to Liberal Valhalla, indeed!
 
You should read their illegal immigrant laws. They make ours look like Mary Poppins


In know, Illegally being in Mexico is a felony, with immediate deportation.
My point was that we went there legally and contributed to the economy. Not the other way around, thus, they like us there.
 
Oh sure, like whine a lot, as Obama is already doing?

Arizona is doing nothing more than what the Feds should have done, years ago.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with the law being signed. I was just agreeing that in a perfect world the Feds should have the job to control illegals. Since they have not, I see nothing wrong with what Az has done.

Tbone: in one of your posts you stated you wanted the Feds to do the "sweeps" for illegals, yet you object to the AZ bill. Question, since you are in law enforcement. What is the difference if the Feds (ICE) arrest or detain illegals or the local LE? IMO, it is every LE job to enforce the laws of the US.
 
TBone:
Since you stated your a LE in AZ and a latino. If the law withstands challanges and you have to enforce it, how will you apply the law in your day to day patrols?

IMO, I don't see LE stopping latino looking people just because. I don't see LE asking are you a US citizen every time they stop someone for like a traffic violation. I do see them checking in cases where the vehicle has no tags, mexican plates, people cannot speak english.
 
Don't get me wrong. I agree with the law being signed. I was just agreeing that in a perfect world the Feds should have the job to control illegals. Since they have not, I see nothing wrong with what Az has done.

Tbone: in one of your posts you stated you wanted the Feds to do the "sweeps" for illegals, yet you object to the AZ bill. Question, since you are in law enforcement. What is the difference if the Feds (ICE) arrest or detain illegals or the local LE? IMO, it is every LE job to enforce the laws of the US.

What has happen, that the ordinary citizen does not see, is that when local LE does this, they pick up the bill. We incarcerate them, jail cost, etc. You're right LE should enforce laws, but ICE (Feds), give the appearance of doing nothing. We arrest or convict an immigrant for a felony, we contact ICE, ICE picks them up for deportation, the Feds release them back to the community if the immigrant does not voluntarily deport. We ask ICE to check immigration status, crickets.

We contact ICE to pick up illegals from jail, they don't come or drag their feet. So,l Sheriff Joe had to drive them down to border.

We are at war on the US Mexican Border, a national geographic special named border wars states that more people are killed on the mexican border because of the drug wars. Is our US military patrolling our border, nope. They want to send national guard soliders. The US GOVERNMENT should have a stronger presence. Our US Senators and Congresspersons from AZ, CA, TX, and NM should be beating the drum.

If we had politians without bigot ties voting and making these proposals and enforcing them, I would not be "whining."

The infamous Sheriff Joe has bigotry tendencies.
Picture This! Sheriff Joe’s Racy(ism) Photo-Op | IMAGINE 2050 and Joe Arpaio's Sheriff's Office Faces Possible Sanctions For Destroying Racial Profiling Records. The bills writer Russel Pearce has bigoted tendencies also

"In October 2006, Russell Pearce forwarded an email from National Alliance, a White Separatist group, to a group of supporters. The email criticized the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for depicting "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot, and for presenting the Holocaust as fact.[6] He quickly apologized. The article reports, "He does not agree with the sentiments in the article, but that the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him. He said the article had been forwarded to him by someone else and he would not have sent it if he had read it in its entirety."[6] He stated in one of his apologies, "Ugly the words contained in it really are. They are not mine and I disavow them completely. Worse still, the website links to a group whose politics are the ugliest imaginable."[6]
In April 2008, Pearce sponsored a measure, Senate Bill 1108, that would prohibit students of Arizona universities and community colleges from forming groups based in whole or part on the race of their membership. Pearce said he didn't want students indoctrinated with seditious or anti-American teachings. The bill would ban groups that serve minority interests such as the Mexican American study program and the Black Business Students Association. [7]
" [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce]Russell Pearce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
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Well, if the Democrats get a pass for the healthcare turd then Az. gets a pass on this IMO. It's a bad law but "something needed to be done", yall remember that right?

Its appeasement. The only thing new is legal profiling. You pass a new law that is already law. If you believe this will change the climate in Arizona you are right. Just like Virginia with their radical new laws already on the books. (homosexual discrimination) All it will do is put a target on the state and not a Sarah Palin one a Federal government one. They didnt have to make this law all they had to do was pass instruction on to the police chiefs, DA etc. To enforce the law. They just opened up the door to be chastised by government by stating and allowing profiling which is very much counter-productive to their valid point and states rights. This is not a win or a model to follow.

Anger, fear, and desperation only focuses you on a target not a goal
 
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Early Arizonan reaction to the bill signing is dismay and vows to take the state to court.
Hi
This is Cholla's wife.
I believe Willcox already lost one battle over immigration with Sheriff Joe.
You have to live here to get it.
At my daughters school 60% of the children are on FREE lunches and breakfasts. This is a Federal program, so although you don't live here you get to pay for it. The Hispanic population at the school is very worried as a large percentage are Illegal, our Principal is Hispanic but knows that our school funding has been cut because there is not enough money to educate children whose parents are not contributing to the State.
One simple example of what illegals cost we the citizens of Arizona.
My 21 year old neice's car was hit and totaled, the car that hit her raced into a parking lot where 5 Hispanic men got out of the car and took off running. The car had no current registration was not insured, they caught the driver as he was injured, he was transported to the hospital and treated, then arrested as he was in the country illegally. Who paid for the ambulance ? The medical care ? My neices deductable ? Her insurance paid her for her car, how does that work how does the insurance company recoup that loss ? Our insurance rate are out of this world . This type of thing happens every day in Phoenix. We bear the costs, and now we are broke, and our children are at risk of being in classes of 30 to 40 in elementary school, who could teach to that crowd.

We are so happy this bill was signed
 
You can't blame Arizona at all on this. I don't see the problem with it. If you are here illegally, what is wrong with a state picking up the slack for the federal government? After all, the costs for medical care, housing, crime, and public education associated with those that come here illegally is primarily born by the states, so why not let the states help enforce immigration law?

I am left of center on a lot of issues. But the fact is, we can't afford to provide education and healthcare for the kids of every illegal that makes it across the Sonora Desert.

Here is the problem with it. A nuclear physicist from Chicago could be arrested for leaving his identification in his hotel room while visiting Arizona, his only crime being that his name might be Gonzalez. OK, so they straighten it out and he is let go. That would not mitigate the fact that he spent several hours in jail only because he is Hispanic.

You all know how I feel about illegal immigrants, and wanting them shipped back to where they came from. But I also feel strongly about something called the Constitution. Profiling in this manner is clearly unconstitutional, and I expect that it won't be too long before SCOTUS strikes this law down. I also expect that, when it happens, there will be some here, who support this law, who will be ranting and raving about that Liberal, Justice Roberts, and his Liberal Supreme Court. LOL.

Finally, if you want to do something about illegal aliens, there is a much better solution than this racist law - Arrest employers who hire illegal aliens, and give them serious jail time. Why isn't Arizona doing that? That might have to do with skin color too.
 
Here is the problem with it. A nuclear physicist from Chicago could be arrested for leaving his identification in his hotel room while visiting Arizona, his only crime being that his name might be Gonzalez. OK, so they straighten it out and he is let go. That would not mitigate the fact that he spent several hours in jail only because he is Hispanic.

You all know how I feel about illegal immigrants, and wanting them shipped back to where they came from. But I also feel strongly about something called the Constitution. Profiling in this manner is clearly unconstitutional, and I expect that it won't be too long before SCOTUS strikes this law down. I also expect that, when it happens, there will be some here, who support this law, who will be ranting and raving about that Liberal, Justice Roberts, and his Liberal Supreme Court. LOL.

Finally, if you want to do something about illegal aliens, there is a much better solution than this racist law - Arrest employers who hire illegal aliens, and give them serious jail time. Why isn't Arizona doing that? That might have to do with skin color too.

I don't see anything in the law that states anything at all regarding hispanic looking people shall be harrassed.

Did I miss something? Did the law mention hispanic looking people somewhere?

Or did it say something to the effect of a cop having a reasonable suspicion that someone was committing a crime?
 
I don't see anything in the law that states anything at all regarding hispanic looking people shall be harrassed.

Did I miss something? Did the law mention hispanic looking people somewhere?

Or did it say something to the effect of a cop having a reasonable suspicion that someone was committing a crime?

According to the law, that "reasonable suspicion" is based on skin color, and skin color alone.
 
if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections

Sorry chum -- but the GOP would lose the white trash bigots and blue collar Christians in the south.

The ignorance of some people on this board, thinking that white folks don't take handouts, don't collect unemployment, don't collect welfare and food stamps...

The Average Welfare child is white, has one sibling and an unmarried mother. Whites, not blacks, collect the greatest share of public dollars.

You only allow "net tax payers" to vote and the great GOP Southern Strategy goes into the toilet.

The GOP would be lost without the Jerry Springer rural south crowd.
 
Hi
This is Cholla's wife.
I believe Willcox already lost one battle over immigration with Sheriff Joe.
You have to live here to get it.
At my daughters school 60% of the children are on FREE lunches and breakfasts. This is a Federal program, so although you don't live here you get to pay for it. The Hispanic population at the school is very worried as a large percentage are Illegal, our Principal is Hispanic but knows that our school funding has been cut because there is not enough money to educate children whose parents are not contributing to the State.
One simple example of what illegals cost we the citizens of Arizona.
My 21 year old neice's car was hit and totaled, the car that hit her raced into a parking lot where 5 Hispanic men got out of the car and took off running. The car had no current registration was not insured, they caught the driver as he was injured, he was transported to the hospital and treated, then arrested as he was in the country illegally. Who paid for the ambulance ? The medical care ? My neices deductable ? Her insurance paid her for her car, how does that work how does the insurance company recoup that loss ? Our insurance rate are out of this world . This type of thing happens every day in Phoenix. We bear the costs, and now we are broke, and our children are at risk of being in classes of 30 to 40 in elementary school, who could teach to that crowd.

We are so happy this bill was signed

No doubt, but the Libs and their ever so 'tolerant' and 'fair' centrist, independant and moderate cohorts will just right this all off as anecdotal.

They will spare no effort to get their foot in the door of liberal valhalla!
 
It isn't going to be skin color that gets illegals arrested, not near as much as the person's inability to respond in english when questioned in english....

If the federal govt isn't going to enforce its immigration laws, and the states are suffering financially, what are the options?

Arizona is trying to avoid ending up like California. All the western states should do likewise.

As for the nuclear physicist example, how far fetched can you get?
 
Where is that written in the law? I saw no mention of skin color

It doesn't have to be in the law. Let me ask you a single question - How would law enforcement in Arizona know that the law is being broken? In other words, what is probable cause to suspect that a felony has been committed in connection with this law?
 
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Skin color won't matter. If anything what would stick out the most is if the person speaks Spanish and knows little to know English, and in that case it would strongly suggest that they are illegal. I believe legal immigrant have to pass an English comprehension test. I think the race/discrimination card is just being played to try and make the Republicans seem racist or to hurt support for the bill. If 95% of the illegals are Hispanic then that doesn't mean that the law is racist.
 
It doesn't have to be in the law. Let me ask you a single question - How would law enforcement in Arizona know that the law is being broken? In other words, what is probable cause to suspect that a felony has been committed in connection with this law?

Same way they did before this law was signed...somebody called the cops and the cops responded and apprehend someone, and that someone can't speak english...
The law abiding illegals will be the last deported. If you don't cause trouble, you will likely be ignored by everyone, including the cops.
 
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