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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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I appoligize. I was making fun of the fact that so many are making this a hispanic issue only, the bill covers all illegals. I also have provided a link to the bill so members can better understand the bill.
again sorry.
 
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Chappy said:
Another question is how much safer will Arizonans be with new law being enforced …

“The Arizona immigration law will likely hinder federal law enforcement from carrying out its priorities of detaining and removing dangerous criminal aliens. With the strong support of state and local law enforcement, I vetoed several similar pieces of legislation as Governor of Arizona because they would have diverted critical law enforcement resources from the most serious threats to public safety and undermined the vital trust between local jurisdictions and the communities they serve. I support and am actively working with bipartisan members of Congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform at the federal level because this issue cannot be solved by a patchwork of inconsistent state laws.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Gov. Jan Brewer's predecessor as Arizona governor†​
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60 % of murders in the Phoenix area involve illegals, kidnappings, drugs, smuggling. 30% of prisoners in Maricopa county are illegals. The police are allreadydealing with the illegals when they are dealing with crimes.

This law just gives them another tool to use.
 
texmaster said:
If you are looking for a beach in Arizona you've got more problems than the immigration bill
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Closest one is in Mexico, they don't ask for our ID when we go they like it when we bring money into Mexico
 
digsbe said:
Great, they can go to jail for breaking the law and be exposed as people who support breaking immigration laws. Let them protest, I have no sympathy for them. What about the law abiding citizens or legal immigrants in Arizona? All Arizona is doing is making it a state offense to commit a federal crime, they are also taking measures to enforce the law. Is this a bad thing? If anything it's a wonderful thing. I applaud Arizona for passing this bold legislation :applaud
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And those who love America and the rule of law should take close note of those who actively oppose this bill by trying to economicly punish Arizona and punish those organizations who do so.

I talked about this with my friends here in Taiwan and they just couldn't believe that this is an issue.
 
Hatuey said:
Did you even read the article?

Immigration law:



Your ignorance is shinning through.
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LOL You are just a glutton for punishment.

"I firmly believe [the law] represents what's best for Arizona," said Brewer. "Border-related violence and crime due to illegal immigration are critically important issues for the people of our state, to my administration, and to me as your governor and as a citizen."

Enjoy your fail :rofl

http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058707343
 
Chappy said:
The issue is that in Arizona, you are now required by law to carry with you at all times proof of your citizenship or legal entry into the state and that a police officer can demand those papers for any reason; you are wearing the wrong sneakers; the shape of your hat suggests a foreign style, etc. I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
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1. The country I live in requires all legal immigrants to carry their government issued ID cards at all times.

2. I don't blame AZ for possibly NOT accepting out-of-state licenses because the state of Arizona can't control if they are issued to illegals or not.
 
Chappy said:
I will certainly defer to your considerable expertise on fear mongering.

As to what constitutes as the kind of papers you'll need on your next visit to Arizona, I can provide this …



And, again, the concerns I have are not about illegal immigration enforcement but about civil rights and violations thereof for a whole class of people. I think Arizonans have been badly misled by their political leadership who can't address their real problems of governmental fiscal default, the real estate market free fall, burgeoning unemployment and human despair. I think this law plays on all those anxieties and distracts from them, but serves no positive purpose other than justify the law makers own continued employment.
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If you lived here you would not think this. The political leadership is doing this because it is what the people want.
 
Chappy said:
My emphasis.

Here's another source on the problem with getting stopped by a policeman in Phoenix for any reason and why your home state driver's license may not be enough to keep you from being arrested as a possible illegal immigrant.
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I don't agree with the point made in that AZ Republic Article-- which states specifically do not require proof of citizenship to get a driver's lic. California, New Mexico, and Texas all do.

The writer of the article is making an exaggerated hypothetical. IMO.

Profiling is not an exact science, but its a pretty logical and effective process for spotting likely suspects. I interviewed and observed a number of police officers and federal agents who worked exclusively at LAX as part of joint task force. The used profiling extensively for incoming flights. They could also watch curbside drop-offs for departing flights and spot people carrying illegal contraband. Their job was actually more difficult as the profile would change--meaning drug traffickers would switch types periodically.

The police gain nothing by having one PR issue after another--so they are motivated to profile in smart and deliberate manner.

The police gain everything if the drain on public resources goes down along with crime related to drug trafficking and illegals.
 
cholla said:
60 % of murders in the Phoenix area involve illegals, kidnappings, drugs, smuggling. 30% of prisoners in Maricopa county are illegals. The police are allreadydealing with the illegals when they are dealing with crimes.

This law just gives them another tool to use.
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I bet you have a link for that.

Here's my link about the first bull**** factoid you offer, one spread by state senator Russell Pearce, the author of this notorious immigration bill and a serial false factoid artificer.

Excerpted from “Russell Pearce's Falsehoods, Inaccuracies and Inventions on Channel 12's Sunday Square-Off” By Stephen Lemons, “Feathered Bastard,” Phoenix New Times, Sunday, Apr. 11 2010 @ 12:53PM
"[SIZE="+2"]6[/SIZE]0 percent of the homicides in Phoenix involved illegal aliens."

As I've stated already, the FBI does not keep stats on a perp's immigration status, and the stats they do have come directly from agencies such as the Phoenix PD.

In 2008, the Phoenix PD cleared 51.8 percent of murders, the rest were left uncleared. How do you determine the immigration status of those involved in the remainder? By magic? Apparently Pearce has his own brand of hocus pocus.
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AZ Republic newspaper has been very pro "illegal" for many years. It is not surprising they spin things the way they do.

The bill does have provisions to make it illegal to hire an illegal. So the employer side is also addressed.
 
Here are some links providing information on the costs of illegals in America

Right Condition: How much money do illegal immigrants cost America?

This is a huge factor in the attitudes of Arizonans. Read the above and you will see the financial drain placed on our state. Right now there is a 1% sales tax on the ballot here to raise money for schools, in my daughters school, they are about 35% Mexican. I was talking to the principal this afternoon and she says that a lot of the kids are scared of what is going to happen to thier parents, you can draw your own conclusions on what % are illegals
Why does the state of AZ have to have the 3rd highest sales tax rate in the country? To pay for the education of illegals who don't contribute their share of the tax base but use the services.
 
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Chappy said:
I bet you have a link for that.

Here's my link about the first bull**** factoid you offer, one spread by state senator Russell Pearce, the author of this notorious immigration bill and a serial false factoid artificer.
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I just noticed that your source is the New Times, Laughable journalism at best. Argueably the most liberal rag in AZ. Pretty good for restaurant reviews.

Here is some thing that you might want to read to get a more realistic understanding of things here.

Drop in crime coincides with exodus of illegal immigrants - Phoenix Business Journal:
 
More states should do what Arizona is doing since the federal government is doing very little about illegal immigration.

"...another step forward in protecting the state of Arizona."

"...the bill represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis that we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix -- the crisis caused by illegal immigration." --Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer
 
cholla said:
I just noticed that your source is the New Times, Laughable journalism at best. Argueably the most liberal rag in AZ. Pretty good for restaurant reviews.

Here is some thing that you might want to read to get a more realistic understanding of things here.

Drop in crime coincides with exodus of illegal immigrants - Phoenix Business Journal:
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Sorry, I didn't see the link that supported any of the factoids you offered.

And, again I'm not objecting to immigration law in general, it's this odious one by State Senator Russell Pearce I am objecting to.

I just hope that it will be well remembered in the years and decades to come that it was a Republican-controlled government that has delivered this despicable law upon the people of Arizona.
 
Hatuey said:
Lmao - yeah on what grounds? Who deals with immigration law?
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Yeah! That's a real good question. Who does? Certainly not the Liberals and their faux republican allies. This is better than the 'smell of gasoline in the morning"!

Oh I love it so!
 
Porchev said:
So, are there really people mad about a state passing a law that says people in the country illegally are breaking the law?
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Yes, the Left is hugely annoyed that anyone would understand what the word "illegal" means in the term "undocumented downtrodden immigrant".
 
I agree with the Conservatives on this one. The feds have failed to act on what has become a growing problem. Arizona has a Constitutinal right to pass such a law and to enforce it. It may not be entirely fair, but something had to be done eventually and Arizona go there first.
 
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"It's like they're saying that harassing Latinos with racial profiling is an inevitable side-effect of this law. It's not. It's the entire point of this law.” — Stephen Colbert, “The Word,” Comedy Central's, “The Colbert Report,” Wednesday, April 21, 2010† ​
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Well, there you have it.

When famous comedian make a point, they just have to be right and no one on the left should exercise any further brain cells on the matter.
 
Chappy said:
Yes, Stephen Colbert's a comedian but, of course, for him to be funny he has to be touching on some underlying reality.
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Not really. He has to be touching some emotional center the folks on the left want to pretend to themselves is reality.

And saying the United States can afford an infinite influx of invading aliens indefinitely is certainly no part of any reality in the real world. So the never-very-funny guy is dead wrong, and again, not funny. As usual.
 
Chappy said:
Sorry, I didn't see the link that supported any of the factoids you offered.

And, again I'm not objecting to immigration law in general, it's this odious one by State Senator Russell Pearce I am objecting to.

I just hope that it will be well remembered in the years and decades to come that it was a Republican-controlled government that has delivered this despicable law upon the people of Arizona.
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AZ is a Republican controlled state, what else would you expect?
 
I hope everyone noticed how the liberal Mexicans got violent over this new law.
 
American said:
I hope everyone noticed how the liberal Mexicans got violent over this new law.
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Clearly they must have been to Tea Party rallies. Only the right-wing can breed violent people with their hatred and homophobia :doh
 
Chappy said:
I just hope that it will be well remembered in the years and decades to come that it was a Republican-controlled government that has delivered this despicable law upon the people of Arizona.
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Despicable. as in your opinion. I don't share it.

In AZ the democrats seem to be the party of "no". No to balanced budget, no to enforcing immigration laws, etc. When Janet N. was our gov. She did very little to nothing to slow down the influx. Nothing changes as Home Land Security. Maybe the Law will force the feds hand and do something for the border states.

In is interesting that other than make them proposing to make them all legal, the dems in Az have no produced a plan for illegal immigration.
 
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