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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

TBone said:
Do you understand that I don't want to be checked because I am here legally, and they have no right to check my status, or invade my privacy?
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Explain how asking for you to prove who you are is invading your privacy.

This should be good.

Do you say this to the bank too? :rofl
 
TBone said:
Wow, how you got that from my post, I will never know.

Joe will be indicted and removed. I did not state I wanted a democrat for sheriff. This state will never have democrat for anything but govenor, which is a head scratcher.

The fact that you think our state is a better financial state that California is amazing. We are not in the same shape, but we are in bad shape. In fact, we have not had a budget for how long?

No, I don't want liberal gov't, I want intelligent gov't. Hey I'd love for Barry Goldwater to return from the grave to slap around the idiots in our gov't, including McCain and Kyle. I thought Janet was and is an idiot as govenor and sec of DHS.

The yahoos in our gov't are just that yahoos. The governor is an idiot, the legislature is made up of conservative, whimpy moderates who are scared of russell pearce, and silent democrats, who lack back bone an.

The county government, a majority of all GOP, one democrat, are clowns. The sheriff thinks he's god or Napolian (sic), the ex county attorney was living in lala land, and he will be disbared soon. the board of supervisors are crooked and built a court tower that was not needed and laid off workers and took away money from law enforcement.

Nope, I will not leave, I don't run from a fight. We need to fix this mess and get competent persons in gov't, all persons to vote. I don't care if it is GOP or Dem.
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I must applaud you for not giving in to what government is and responding to what government should be . Not a R or a D but successes that benefit the whole of America. Your issues are perspective but what needs to be done isnt and more people should open theirselves up to that idea. The rule of government is held to the R and D and ideals not success and that should be pointed out. I have found the group of people that feel the same. We all have difference of opinion but have created and recognized the common ground. Which is peace and prosperity for all through proper leadership. Your well on your way if not already there to establishing a credible movement. The movement of the American people for American people that translates throughout the world. Welcome and thanks for validating my point that change is coming.
 
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texmaster said:
You are dishonestly discribing what the bill states.



Wrong again. The probably cause is you are committing a different crime, you are questioned and under questioning you fall under suspicion for perhaps some of the following reasons:

You speak only Spanish.

When you are asked for ID you produce a Mexican identification card.

You can't produce a legal residence.


This isn't rocket science.



Yes, you should be. I'm not offended when I'm pulled over and asked for my id and neither should you.

The problem is the liberals you have been listening to want you to always assume racism under every rock which fuels this sad reaction.



Where are you getting this fantasy of random search? Its proof of citizenship ie valid driver's license :roll:

Get off the Oh noes racism trip and wake up to reality.
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I am not going to flog this horse any longer. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. You don't think it is an invasion of privacy to be checked, I think it is when you only check a certain class. No ill will, good luck.
 
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With any legislation there is perspective and this piece of legislation allows for people to determine what probable cause is in the form of skin color. American citizens will indeed do their civic duty and call the police but what happens when they are wrong?

What is probable cause? Other than broken english and skin color.
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No, it doesn't allow for probably cause on the basis of skin color any more than any other application of probable cause does.

What happens when people reporting are wrong? Well, nothing. They're just wrong. Just like any other time people call and report something and they're wrong.

As for probable cause. Well yeah, the inability to speak english could certainly be one. Also hanging out in a known illegal immigrant area... such as places where they pick up day workers. Etc, etc.

I mean.. omg... if they're wrong and someone shows their ID, is the ****ing world going to end?
 
This is really a wonderful bill, and looking at the Democrats it seems like they are truly the party of "no." They have no solid reason to object and criticism is typically fear mongering saying that this bill will result in widespread racial profiling and civil rights for Hispanics will be compromised. None of that is happening, none of that is in the bill. The bill is a much needed piece of legislation for Arizona. The Democrats are the ones saying "no" and trying to halt real progress on a state level.
 
rivrrat said:
No, it doesn't allow for probably cause on the basis of skin color any more than any other application of probable cause does.

What happens when people reporting are wrong? Well, nothing. They're just wrong. Just like any other time people call and report something and they're wrong.

As for probable cause. Well yeah, the inability to speak english could certainly be one. Also hanging out in a known illegal immigrant area... such as places where they pick up day workers. Etc, etc.

I mean.. omg... if they're wrong and someone shows their ID, is the ****ing world going to end?
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They are not wrong it does involve racial profiling. Im not saying Arizona should not do what they feel as a state to fix their problem but country wide this is a problem. In different regions this exact law can be misinterpreted to fit the needs of whoever. Arizona is trying it out and I wish them success. Just like that black dude Gates who was entering his house and police came it led to a beer summit. Just if you are told you arent an American because you disagree with government. Those feeling are the same and can translate to problems. This will be a trying time for Arizona not to only prove their point through success but to prove they can control their people on either side. Whether to enforce this or not to go overboard. There will be some who go overboard who are now protected by the law. Its not a perfect world people always messes things up for everyone else you have to recognize that point. That other people arent as civil and educated as yourself therefore there is reason and past outcome through blacks that show what profiling does to a police force as well as a nation. Im not saying it wont work but there will be problems therefore that inability to not state cleary in the legislation what not to do will lead to civil disobedience on both sides.
 
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digsbe said:
Skin color won't matter. If anything what would stick out the most is if the person speaks Spanish and knows little to know English, and in that case it would strongly suggest that they are illegal. I believe legal immigrant have to pass an English comprehension test.
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You are partially right. It is naturalized Americans who have to pass a English comprehension test. How ever all other legal immigrants are legally required to carry their immigration documents. So someone not speaking english is a good indication that either that person is here illegally or he or she should have documents to prove that there are here legally.


I think the race/discrimination card is just being played to try and make the Republicans seem racist or to hurt support for the bill. If 95% of the illegals are Hispanic then that doesn't mean that the law is racist.
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Are agree. Pro-illegals are just using fear mongering with no evidence what so ever to support their claims. Did Oklahoma get this much attention when it passed HB1804 otherwise know as the Tax payer protection act? If the liberal media outlets in Arizona are anything like the ones in Oklahoma then Arizona will probably see some "boo hoo we need illegals" stories if they are not already doing those stories now.
 
TBone said:
I am not going to flog this horse any longer. You have your beliefs, and I have mine. You don't think it is an invasion of privacy to be checked, I think it is when you only check a certain class. No ill will, good luck.
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Yet you can't even explain how its an invasion of privacy.

If you continue to look at everything through the prism of race you will never grow.
 
texmaster said:
Yet you can't even explain how its an invasion of privacy.

If you continue to look at everything through the prism of race you will never grow.
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It is an invasion of privacy to stop me only on the basis of being a certain group. If I sit on a bench, not breaking any law, and because hyou think I a am here illegally becasuse I am latino. You have no cause to ID me, you are invading my privacy. What right do you have to disturb me if I am doing nothing? None.
 
texmaster said:
If you continue to look at everything through the prism of race you will never grow.
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And, if you think this was not racially motivated, you are ignorant.
 
TBone said:
Wow, you think I don't pay taxes. I pay a lot of taxes. Too much taxes. Maybe even more than you. What bracket are you in?

I don't like supporting anyone. I don't believe in welfare or a free ride. I am not a liberal.

The argument I am making is not to support illegal aliens, send them all back. I don't want them here illegally.

My argument is that the law allows a police officer to come up to me and ask me for proof of citizenship because I am latino. The probable cause he uses is the fact that I am in Arizona, and a majority of illegal aliens are latinos, then since I am latino, I may or may not be here legally.

Hell, you want me to me happy that he's checking me. I should be happy for the inconvenience?

So would you be happy if the police could randomly search an anglo who may be a right wing extremist, someone bent on supporting a militia that wants to over throw the US government?. After all, most right wing extremist are anglos? If the person is legal, then what is the big deal?
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Well, if you are going to claim that they are all corrupt, or incompetent, or both...




I guess I will just agree with you...
 
jamesrage said:
Are agree. Pro-illegals are just using fear mongering with no evidence what so ever to support their claims.
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Let's see fear mongering. Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering. The brown menance is going to get you.

Conservatives sway their constituents with fear. Remember WMD, never materialized. Saddams ties to Al Queda, never proven. Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us. Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
 
TBone said:
Let's see fear mongering. Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering. The brown menance is going to get you.

Conservatives sway their constituents with fear. Remember WMD, never materialized. Saddams ties to Al Queda, never proven. Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us. Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
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Lol it was proven a wrong move. You now have a country who hated Iran with a strong leader who hated Iran to combat Iran. Now the actual country who is building weapons and support terrorism now some want to go to war with. Suddam was itching for our and the worlds approval he would have aided us against the common enemy to aid himself before they reached this status of a nuclear capable country. Now what a new war which will embolden terrorist who we are on the vurge of erradicating. Laughable with a bit of saddness mixed in.
 
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TBone said:
Let's see fear mongering.
Checking all latino US citizens for legal status is not fear mongering.
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Seeing how it is pro-illegals who are claiming this it is fear mongering.

The brown menance is going to get you.
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I do not think anyone has made this claim except for pro-illegals. Most illegal immigration opponents do not have a problem with "Brown-skinned" people.
You are a aware that a lot of the police in Arizona are of Hispanic decent, some maybe even of native American decent as well.

Conservatives sway their constituents with fear.
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Are you saying Liberals don't? What about the man made global warming fairy tale religion that religious nuts in the movement try to shove down our throats?


Remember WMD, never materialized.
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Saddam has had WMDs in the past, Saddam gave everyone including liberal democrats that he did have WMDs. So it is idiotic and loony to say "Bush lied".


Everyday the right pundits cry that the government is infridging on us.
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Waiting periods, limits, license/permit requirements and registrations requirements and bans are an infringement on rights.


Yeah, the pro-illegals are the only ones spreading fear
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Politicians on both sides of the isle use fear mongering.
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TBone said:
And, if you think this was not racially motivated, you are ignorant.
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Show me any study that says all illegals are Hispanic.

Your ignorance is extremely telling.
 
TBone said:
It is an invasion of privacy to stop me only on the basis of being a certain group. If I sit on a bench, not breaking any law, and because hyou think I a am here illegally becasuse I am latino. You have no cause to ID me, you are invading my privacy. What right do you have to disturb me if I am doing nothing? None.
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I'm tired of your lies.

Quote the new law where it gives the legal right for police to question someone based on their race.

Put up or shut up.
 
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texmaster said:
Show me any study that says all illegals are Hispanic.

Your ignorance is extremely telling.
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Where did I say all illegals are hispanics? Now quit spinning. If you think this bill was not racially motivated, you are an idiot. The person who wrote it is a racist. Russell Pearce. Go back to my past post and look at the where I showed you proof.

In October 2006, Russell Pearce forwarded an email from National Alliance, a White Separatist group, to a group of supporters. The email criticized the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for depicting "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot, and for presenting the Holocaust as fact.[8] He quickly apologized. The article reports, "He does not agree with the sentiments in the article, but that the title and the first paragraphs about media bias appealed to him. He said the article had been forwarded to him by someone else and he would not have sent it if he had read it in its entirety."[8] He stated in one of his apologies, "Ugly the words contained in it really are. They are not mine and I disavow them completely. Worse still, the website links to a group whose politics are the ugliest imaginable."[8]
In April 2008, Pearce sponsored a measure, Senate Bill 1108, that would prohibit students of Arizona universities and community colleges from forming groups based in whole or part on the race of their membership. Pearce said he didn't want students indoctrinated with seditious or anti-American teachings. The bill would ban groups that serve minority interests such as the Mexican American study program and the Black Business Students Association. [9]
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[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Pearce[/ame]
 
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What does "I work for law enforcement" mean, a secretary ? file clerk ? custodian? Officer? dispatcher ?
 
How did the nuclear physicist get to Az ? If you fly you have to show ID, if you drive you certainly carry your Drivers License.
 
texmaster said:
I'm tired of your lies.

Quote the new law where it gives the legal right for police to question someone based on their race.

Put up or shut up.
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Wow, I am tired of you being blind. The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet.

So, in your world how does an officer know if a person committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the us? Does he have radar? Or does he profile the person? I will talk slow so you can pick it up.

In order to prove a person is removable, you must ask that person where he is from or you must approach him. Now since the law is in AZ, the majority of illegals are hispanic, so the officer that approaches this person is going to ask a latino, not an anglo, or asian, etc. Now that is racial profiling. Show me the lie again? SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet
 
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A law enforcement officer (also called peace officer), in North America, is any public-sector employee or agent charged with upholding the peace, mainly police officers, correctional officers, customs officers, immigration officers, court officers, probation officers, parole officers, auxiliary officers, and sheriffs, marshals, and their deputies. A security guard is not normally a law enforcement officer.

Modern legal codes use the term peace officer (or in some jurisdictions, law enforcement officer) to include every person vested by the legislating state with law-enforcement authority—traditionally, anyone "sworn, badged, and armable" but, basically, who can arrest, or refer such arrest for a criminal prosecution. Hence, city police officers, county sheriffs' deputies, and state troopers are usually vested with the same authority within a given jurisdiction.

which one are you ?
 
CHOLLA TOO said:
A law enforcement officer (also called peace officer), in North America, is any public-sector employee or agent charged with upholding the peace, mainly police officers, correctional officers, customs officers, immigration officers, court officers, probation officers, parole officers, auxiliary officers, and sheriffs, marshals, and their deputies. A security guard is not normally a law enforcement officer.

Modern legal codes use the term peace officer (or in some jurisdictions, law enforcement officer) to include every person vested by the legislating state with law-enforcement authority—traditionally, anyone "sworn, badged, and armable" but, basically, who can arrest, or refer such arrest for a criminal prosecution. Hence, city police officers, county sheriffs' deputies, and state troopers are usually vested with the same authority within a given jurisdiction.

which one are you ?
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I am a person who under Arizona Revised Statues is defined as a peace officer, and I have the authority to make arrests and bring before the court persons that violate the law. Last question. Okay, my turn, give me some of your personal info. What part of Arizona do you live
 
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TBone said:
Where did I say all illegals are hispanics?
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Right here:


And, if you think this was not racially motivated

If you think this bill was not racially motivated, you are an idiot.The person who wrote it is a racist. Russell Pearce. Go back to my past post and look at the where I showed you proof.
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Back to the racism bs. You really are a one trick pony.
 
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