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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Incorrect. I have never called anyone racist.
    "Liberals like yourself" is not a direct accusation.


    The real racism is assuming all Hispanics are pro illegal immigration and the ignorance is assuming all illegals are Hispanic.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Will rats infest Phoenix after the weeds and grass get too tall?
    From the way it appears....Arizona is already infested by a lot of rats.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    From the way it appears....Arizona is already infested by a lot of rats.
    Yeah, but this new law should get rid of most of them.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And here are yours
    I've refuted this asinine nonsense in considerable detail, and you've ran away each time. Here's a dosage of my latest comment:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    The only place your "reconquista" has the slightest amount of pull is in academic seminars hosted by the likes of Armando Navarro, without any influence on the public. It's also an idle thought among Mexican nationalists without any actual program or substance behind it, as is the "we stole this land from the Indians" mentality among many U.S. citizens. It's just recognized as a tragedy of the past.

    I've explained in great detail in the past to texmaster why immigrants would be hostile to his "reconquista" idea, but that has never stopped him from repeating asinine conspiracy theories or the gullible from swallowing them. The central reason centers around race. The majority of illegal Mexican immigrants are Indians of full and mixed-blooded descent, some of them not even speaking Spanish. While Mexicans are inaccurately regarded as a racial rather than a national group in the United States, the Indians are the racial underclass of the country, and whites and mestizos with a white mentality the upper class. Political administration of the country is dominated by whites such as former Mexican president Vicente Fox.



    Conversely, illegal immigrants are generally Indians, such as this Mixtec laborer from Oaxaca, one of the most heavily Indian states in the country:



    The Indian population of the country is at odds with the white population of the country, as is so often the case throughout America and all of the states that exist on the continents. The Zapatista insurrection in the southernmost Mexican state of Chiapas began as a violent uprising of Tzotzil Mayans against the Mexican government. Why, then, would Indians want to extend the political and administrative authority of the government whose influence they are deliberately avoiding over wherever they have left to?
    At this point, your comments consist of repetitive contradiction. A bot can do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Of course but he is taking it a step further claiming his racial ties make any enforcement of immigration law illegal against "his" people. I and most of the people in here who support the law support enforcement against all illegals regardless of their heritage or race.
    This is a lie. I have said that I am very willing to have a debate about immigration policies based on their consequences, i.e. whether restriction and purges would have more beneficial consequences on the economy and other aspects of society than amnesty and decriminalization or vice-versa.

    But I am not willing to simply accept the U.S. nationalist's claim of absolute moral sovereignty over U.S. territory. I accept that the government is here to stay, and don't simply stubbornly resist every government action for the purpose of expediency. But I don't delude myself by pretending that governmental authority was not gained over American territory by unjust aggression against and dispossession of the indigenous residents of the Americas. I do not pretend that they have some kind of absolute right to tell Indians where and how to migrate on Indian land. So I urge a paradigm shift so that we focus on consequences instead of petty nationalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    The real racism is assuming all Hispanics are pro illegal immigration and the ignorance is assuming all illegals are Hispanic.
    Areopagitician was far more on-target than you are. It seems that after repeated explanations, it cannot be hammered through your head that Hispanics are not a race. They are an assortment of Spanish-speaking national groups, and can be of any race, which is why white Cubans, Argentines, Uruguayans, etc., will by unsympathetic to the issues of Indian Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans. Argentines are rather hostile towards the Indian Bolivians that emigrate to the country. Perhaps you should go there and explain the concept of "Hispanics" to them?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    ms brewer had her sitdown with the president today

    FOXNews.com - Arizona Governor Gets Few Results From Meeting With Obama

    he couldn't tell her where he was sending the 1200 natl guard he promised, apparently unprepared

    his lawsuit against her state he brushed over

    asked if she thought the president had yet read the little bill, she just smiled

    she's looking forward to better dialogue in the future, but earlier this week he stiffed her, refused to see her, before characteristically caving

    this, after lobbing bombshells about racial profiling

    meanwhile, he offers no solution except "comprehensive immigration reform" for which he's announced there's "no appetite"

    but it must be "smart, sensible and effective," he maintains

    now, there's leadership that'll get you NOWHERE

    when she knocks on his door, he hides under his desk, til she won't go away

    pathetic

    he has no POLICY

    he's all AD LIB

    REACTIVE

    whatever vision he once professed is squandered, lost in ugly reality

    so he treats the duly constituted representative of one of our 50 almost like the enemy

    the most incompetent pol any of us has ever seen

    this is not what you voted for

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Yeah, well, just think how many Libs on this board still think that the annointed one is stil the cats meow. How this Arizona law continues to take heat, when it does nothing but mirror Federal Laws that are not enforced, should be a good indicator of the value of the opinions of all the Libs on this forum!
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    I've refuted this asinine nonsense in considerable detail, and you've ran away each time.
    Not only have you never refuted it, you've reinforced it.

    Here's a dosage of my latest comment:



    At this point, your comments consist of repetitive contradiction. A bot can do that.
    All I have to do is look at what you post my Reconquista friend:



    This is what you believe. You've made it clear many times over. Pretending this isn't what the Aztlans stand for is to ignore the truth. Pretend all you want, your own words and pictures tell the story of your own racism quite well.

    This is a lie. I have said that I am very willing to have a debate about immigration policies based on their consequences, i.e. whether restriction and purges would have more beneficial consequences on the economy and other aspects of society than amnesty and decriminalization or vice-versa.
    LOL That is the lie. You have stated our laws should not be enforced because this isn't our land. Your pathetic attempts at circuventing your own thoughts speak volumes.

    I've mentioned the fact that American territory (in all American countries, not just the U.S.!), was unjustly acquired through a combination of force and fraud. Incidentally, that includes Mexico, which is the basis for the Indian insurrections in the south of that country. Mexico"? The territory of the Southwest has never belonged to Mexico; it was unjustly acquired by the Spanish, and then "governed" by those of Spanish descent in the Mexican government after their revolution. It was not their land to sell any more than Napoleon had the right to sell the Louisiana Territory.



    You are the one misrepresenting the truth. You are the one promoting race over nation. And once again it is your own words that out you.

    But I am not willing to simply accept the U.S. nationalist's claim of absolute moral sovereignty over U.S. territory.
    LOL Yet you just claimed you are interested in a debate on immigration policies. How can you lie like this and expect no one to see it?

    I accept that the government is here to stay, and don't simply stubbornly resist every government action for the purpose of expediency.
    No you don't since you can't even admit they are the ruling authority on the land they control. Just another lie.

    But I don't delude myself by pretending that governmental authority was not gained over American territory by unjust aggression against and dispossession of the indigenous residents of the Americas. I do not pretend that they have some kind of absolute right to tell Indians where and how to migrate on Indian land. So I urge a paradigm shift so that we focus on consequences instead of petty nationalism.
    There you go again. You can't have it both ways. You can't pretend to accept the nation you live in while claiming it is illegal for them to control their own borders. Thats the Aztlan in you again coming out.

    Areopagitician was far more on-target than you are. It seems that after repeated explanations, it cannot be hammered through your head that Hispanics are not a race. They are an assortment of Spanish-speaking national groups, and can be of any race, which is why white Cubans, Argentines, Uruguayans, etc., will by unsympathetic to the issues of Indian Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans. Argentines are rather hostile towards the Indian Bolivians that emigrate to the country. Perhaps you should go there and explain the concept of "Hispanics" to them?
    Wow you grow more demented with every posting. I unlike you support the laws of the United States. You see the United States and an illegal force occupying land just like the Reconquista and La Raza crowd see it. That way you can ignore the laws on the books because you don't think they apply to your people. You represent the worst form of racism but continue denying it if you wish. We will simply read your own words back to you.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Not only have you never refuted it, you've reinforced it.
    Jerome Corsi and Jim Gilchrist offer this summary of the rightist conception of the Mexican Reconquista:

    At its core, the claim of the Reconquista (‘Reconquest’) movement is that the United States stole large sections of the southwestern United States from Mexico in the 1800s. Mexicans and other Hispanics making these claims seek to reconquer this territory by taking the land away from the United States and returning it to Mexico. The goal of the Reconquista is to ‘reconquer’ these ‘lost’ or ‘stolen’ territories for ‘La Raza‘—the race indigenous to Mexico.

    How will the Reconquista be accomplished? Today, millions of Mexican illegal immigrants are pouring into the United States. None of these illegal aliens are checked in any way. They live in the United States while swearing their allegiance to Mexico. By their sheer presence and numbers, those in the Reconquista movement believe that a time will come when they can take political control of local communities where Hispanics are the majority. The ultimate dream of the Reconquista movement is that political control can be gained in one or more southwestern states. Reconquista activists plan that the states controlled by Mexican immigrants would secede from the United States and join Mexico, much as the southern states seceded during the American Civil War and formed the Confederacy.

    As preposterous as this seems, the Reconquista agenda has been pushed by the left for decades. Maps of Aztlan are drawn, incorporating large sections of the U.S. southwest and the theory that the U.S. stole the southwest from Mexico is actively taught by Leftists in Mexico as well as in ‘Hispanic studies’ programs in U.S. schools. Those in the Reconquista movement understand the ‘Trojan Horse invasion’ for exactly what it is. They plan to exploit America’s generosity to the fullest, all the while mocking us. The goal is for illegal aliens to get citizenship for themselves and their children so that they can eventually vote to return to Mexico large sections of the American southwest.
    The idea seems preposterous because it is. Mexican governments continued the campaigns of colonial Spanish governments to forcibly acquire indigenous land holdings in what is now the U.S. Southwest. Due to inequities in resource endowments, the indigenous Southwestern peoples of the U.S. Southwest and northern Mexico had never developed the population densities of the urban Mesoamerican Indians in central-southern Mexico and northern Central America, who were gradually assimilated into Mexican society as re-socialized “mestizos” with newly indoctrinated Hispanic identities (that their offspring were born into), and conscripted as foot soldiers and middle management in the military campaigns against the Indians of the North.

    There is no “race indigenous to Mexico.” Mexico is a multi-racial country characterized by white European dominance over full and mixed-blooded Indians, with social status generally falling as levels of Amerindian admixture rise.

    This also provides insights into the unwillingness of the immigrant population to “fight for Mexico.” Aside from the fact that many illegal and undocumented immigrants are from Central America (particularly Guatemala and El Salvador), and not Mexico, nearly all of them are predominantly Indian. The damage to the agricultural industry in the southern Mexican state of Oaxaca spurred migrations of the large Zapotec and Mixtec populations in the state, first from rural farms to urban areas, and then north to the United States when they realized that the greater demand for low-skilled manual labor and higher remuneration levels provided greater opportunities.

    The Indian working and lower classes of Mexico and Central America boast a long history of conflict with the white upper classes of those countries. The most recent prominent illustration of this in Mexico came by way of the violent insurrection of the Tzotzil Mayans organized into the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (Spanish; Ejercito Zapatista de Liberacion Nacional, EZLN) in the southernmost and poorest Mexican state of Chiapas on January 1, 1994, the day that NAFTA went into effect. A similar rebellion erupted around 2006 in the heavily Indian state of Oaxaca. The more agitated Indian contingencies in the country of Mexico are dedicated to the violent overthrow of the country’s government, and those of Central America would have been subject to authoritarian mistreatment by Mexican governmental officials for illegally crossing the southern border. Indian rights activists themselves have been subject to discrimination, from Guatemalan Mayan Rigoberta Menchu briefly expelled from her hotel when her Indian appearance and apparel caused employees to assume that she was a local street vendor to Tohono O’odham Ofelia Rivas detained in Chiapas on charges that she had illegally crossed the border with Guatemala.

    Why would those who have managed to arrive in the United States be interested in extending the political authority of that regime over the territory that they have journeyed to?

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    All I have to do is look at what you post my Reconquista friend:

    This is what you believe. You've made it clear many times over. Pretending this isn't what the Aztlans stand for is to ignore the truth. Pretend all you want, your own words and pictures tell the story of your own racism quite well.
    Those pictures are meant to give you a taste of your own medicine, to show you what happens when your principles are applied consistently.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL That is the lie. You have stated our laws should not be enforced because this isn't our land. Your pathetic attempts at circuventing your own thoughts speak volumes.
    Your own comment is the lie. There was and is no statement from me that "laws should not be enforced because this isn't our land," since there's no way of reversing all land theft in the world. I stated that no one should pretend that land is some absolute god-given possession when it was stolen, and that actual reasons should be behind immigration policy debates.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You are the one misrepresenting the truth. You are the one promoting race over nation. And once again it is your own words that out you.
    No, I'm providing a devil's advocate counterargument that illustrates the consequences of the consistent application of your ideas, which is that Europeans represented the first massive influx of illegal aliens.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL Yet you just claimed you are interested in a debate on immigration policies. How can you lie like this and expect no one to see it?
    It's effectively impossible to find territory and resources in the world that weren't unjustly acquired at one point, isn't it? That's why I've rejected the nationalist posturing; immigration into America against the will of the previous occupants formed the foundations of the modern countries and governments. Since they're here to stay, we can discuss the costs and benefits of more authoritarian or libertarian immigration policy. But please don't insult the intelligence of everyone here by pretending that the government has some divine right to control what was stolen from the Native American population by force and fraud.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No you don't since you can't even admit they are the ruling authority on the land they control. Just another lie.
    I've lived on semi-autonomous areas for the majority of my life, but still under the government. I've questioned whether there are any reasons against immigration that nationalists can offer, but I've only encountered Mexican-style "machismo." I've demanded a paradigm shift to a reasonable dialogue, not chauvinistic screeching.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    There you go again. You can't have it both ways. You can't pretend to accept the nation you live in while claiming it is illegal for them to control their own borders. Thats the Aztlan in you again coming out.
    A "nation" is not a conscious entity, except as a sort of Wizard of Oz that keeps rubes from seeing the man behind the curtain. The government has militarized national borders, not "the nation." Your defenses are on the level of a two-year-old screaming "Mine!" I'm open to hearing reasons for authoritarian immigration policy, but screaming doesn't accomplish that.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Wow you grow more demented with every posting. I unlike you support the laws of the United States. You see the United States and an illegal force occupying land just like the Reconquista and La Raza crowd see it. That way you can ignore the laws on the books because you don't think they apply to your people. You represent the worst form of racism but continue denying it if you wish. We will simply read your own words back to you.
    You are the target audience of the chauvinists who care about fanning the flames of white populism. Father Coughlin would have made you terrified of the Jews, and you would have been one of the strongest advocates and defenders of Japanese internment during the Second World War. There are no facts that can penetrate your consciousness; it's only years of hindsight that allows your petty racialist-nationalist fearmongering to die and be condemned by effectively everyone.

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