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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Sorry mexicans no more free rides

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

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    Sorry mexicans no more free rides
    Get the **** out.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    You may be right that SCOTUS may turn back the law. On the other hand they may not. Based on the OK, which only one part of their immigration law dealing with hiring/firing was overturned, AZ law has a chance, imo.

    ADK- Pretty sure of yourself on how "mexicans" may vote in AZ. There are many hispanics who support SB1070.

    What I don't hear from the opposing side is what would they recommend in helping the border States. Status Quo is not an alternative. So I have no respect for those that cross into AZ illegally. Just tonight on the news BP caught over 100 illegals south of Tucson. They watched them cross the border at a non check point.
    I've previously stated my understanding as to why AZ passed this law, if it is because of the immigration issue and not a political ploy. I did not say how Mexicans would vote. I simply brought up some issues for discussion.

    In all fairness, I also realize many immigrants are furious at the Dems, and Obama, for not dealing with this issue before now. So, between those who are po'd at the Repubs and those who are po'd at the Dems they just might all decide to not vote at all.

    The only thing I'm sure of on this issue is that this is an issue that has no easy solution. It will require both Repubs and Dems to come together to work out a very hard plan. Frankly, I don't think they can work together honestly anymore. Hard decisions have to be made for the greater good, regardless of the political outcome.

    Hard decisions have to be made on:
    * Border control
    * Businesses employing illegals
    * A plan for illegals here to become citizens. This will be the hottest of all. I don't think it makes sense to say that all the illegals here have to go back to Mexico and work to come in legally. Most probably don't have anywhere to go in Mexico.
    * Deporting, or not, of illegals convicted or suspected of crimes here.
    * Anchor babies as excuse/reason to allow family to stay.
    * I'm sure there are more...

    This would be a great issue to work on, if the administration was really serious in supporting these efforts.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I've previously stated my understanding as to why AZ passed this law, if it is because of the immigration issue and not a political ploy. I did not say how Mexicans would vote. I simply brought up some issues for discussion.

    In all fairness, I also realize many immigrants are furious at the Dems, and Obama, for not dealing with this issue before now. So, between those who are po'd at the Repubs and those who are po'd at the Dems they just might all decide to not vote at all.

    The only thing I'm sure of on this issue is that this is an issue that has no easy solution. It will require both Repubs and Dems to come together to work out a very hard plan. Frankly, I don't think they can work together honestly anymore. Hard decisions have to be made for the greater good, regardless of the political outcome.

    Hard decisions have to be made on:
    * Border control
    * Businesses employing illegals
    * A plan for illegals here to become citizens. This will be the hottest of all. I don't think it makes sense to say that all the illegals here have to go back to Mexico and work to come in legally. Most probably don't have anywhere to go in Mexico.
    * Deporting, or not, of illegals convicted or suspected of crimes here.
    * Anchor babies as excuse/reason to allow family to stay.
    * I'm sure there are more...

    This would be a great issue to work on, if the administration was really serious in supporting these efforts.
    I can agree the issue is complex. I do think we need to control the borders. The influx needs to be stopped. Dealing with those already here is also a difficult issue. I feel that is almost secondary to controlling the borders.
    IMO, we need to draw a line. Deal with those that are here. Any one else after a certain date who enters the country illegally should be deported if they have done no other crime.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    And "some" Hispanics may not like the fact that certain individuals think each one of them has a relative who is here illegally.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    I'm trying to decide when Arizona will implement its next "great" idea: Police can carry around tokens, after verifying that a person with brown skin is documented, they can give them a symbol...like a yellow star or a pink triangle...or better yet, a flag lapel pin that they can be required to wear in order to prove they have their papers.
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    Will rats infest Phoenix after the weeds and grass get too tall?
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Will rats infest Phoenix after the weeds and grass get too tall?
    And liberals like yourself call us the racists.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Okay, here's what I feel about this law.

    I have no problem with enforcement of immigration laws. The law is the law.

    But how you enforce it matters. My main concern is that there's a sort of built-in presumption of guilt. If a cop pulls you over and checks for warrants, if they don't find one you go free - you don't have to prove you don't have arrest warrants out. If you drive without a license, sure, you have to carry it with you, but that's reasonable because there's a state-issued card. But what proves you're a citizen? A green card proves you're a legal immigrant, but do citizens have proof of citizenship in their wallet? Not really. There's no national ID card (mainly because conservatives oppose it). Do you have to order a birth certificate from your state of birth and sit in jail and wait for it to arrive in the mail? Maybe the procedures are better than that, but I dont' know what they are.

    The other problems are the burden on police time and the fact that illegals will stay away from police and not cooperate with them as witnesses.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    And liberals like yourself call us the racists.
    Incorrect. I have never called anyone racist.
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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