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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    since ms brewer signed the bill she has risen in the polls by about 10 points

    RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 - Arizona Governor - Brewer vs. Goddard

    rcp moved the copper state out of the red-to-blue category and placed her solidly in red

    gallup has arizona's reform at 51 to 39 in favor

    More Americans Favor Than Oppose Arizona Immigration Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    since ms brewer signed the bill she has risen in the polls by about 10 points

    rcp moved the copper state out of the red-to-blue category and placed her solidly in red

    gallup has arizona's reform at 51 to 39 in favor
    In the short term this will be true. I wonder how all the Mexican citizens in Arizona will vote in November. I believe the Hispanic, Latino, Spanish and Native American population in Arizona is over 40%. If the Dems can get those folks to the polls Arizona's days of being a red state will soon go the way of T-Rex.

    It seems the Repubs in Arizona are setting themselves up twice to be losers. Once, by pissing off "all" immigrants by passing this bill and then watching it get overturned by SCOTUS and looking just plain stupid. And secondly, by motivating their immigrant population to get out and vote and to never vote Republican.

    I just can't understand what Arizona's Repub leaders think this will do for them. I guess, we'll see.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    How sure you are of your stereotype of the casual Hispanic voter? I know this may sound insanely racist, and probably more than a little bigoted, but Hispanic voters do not have some wide-spanning "racial conscience." They are human beings, and they have more to their political decisions than MSNBC's talking points.

    The Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005, took a comprehensive look at Hispanic American views. 77% of American Hispanics oppose abortion. 62% of American Hispanics oppose gay marriage. 48% agree that lowering taxes is the best strategy for encouraging economic growth, as compared to 12% who thought raising taxes is the best strategy.

    In California's Proposition 8 battle over Same-Sex Marriage, the most modest estimates of Hispanic voting patterns indicate 59% in favor of Proposition 8.

    47 percent of Hispanics supported Proposition 200, which required proof of citizenship for government benefits. In 2006, 48 percent voted to make English the official language. Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Argentinians and a large selection of other South American inhabitants simply do not care about the border as Mexico's indigenous populations do.

    What goes underreported is that Democrat domination of Immigrants of Hispanic Origin, according to the William C. Velasquez Institute, decreases from 70 percent Democrat (Republican at 18 percent) in the first generation to just barely half in the third. Clearly, as more and more Hispanics enter the country and become established; they realize that Democrats' promises are nothing but smoke and mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    How sure you are of your stereotype of the casual Hispanic voter? I know this may sound insanely racist, and probably more than a little bigoted, but Hispanic voters do not have some wide-spanning "racial conscience." They are human beings, and they have more to their political decisions than MSNBC's talking points.
    I wasn't making any statements as much as I was raising some questions. It just seems reasonable that if one party is trying to kick a person's relatives and friends out of this country then they just might not like them enough to vote against them. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I wasn't making any statements as much as I was raising some questions. It just seems reasonable that if one party is trying to kick a person's relatives and friends out of this country then they just might not like them enough to vote against them. Just a thought.
    And "some" Hispanics may not like the fact that certain individuals think each one of them has a relative who is here illegally.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    In the short term this will be true. I wonder how all the Mexican citizens in Arizona will vote in November. I believe the Hispanic, Latino, Spanish and Native American population in Arizona is over 40%. If the Dems can get those folks to the polls Arizona's days of being a red state will soon go the way of T-Rex.

    It seems the Repubs in Arizona are setting themselves up twice to be losers. Once, by pissing off "all" immigrants by passing this bill and then watching it get overturned by SCOTUS and looking just plain stupid. And secondly, by motivating their immigrant population to get out and vote and to never vote Republican.

    I just can't understand what Arizona's Repub leaders think this will do for them. I guess, we'll see.
    You may be right that SCOTUS may turn back the law. On the other hand they may not. Based on the OK, which only one part of their immigration law dealing with hiring/firing was overturned, AZ law has a chance, imo.

    ADK- Pretty sure of yourself on how "mexicans" may vote in AZ. There are many hispanics who support SB1070.

    What I don't hear from the opposing side is what would they recommend in helping the border States. Status Quo is not an alternative. So I have no respect for those that cross into AZ illegally. Just tonight on the news BP caught over 100 illegals south of Tucson. They watched them cross the border at a non check point.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I wasn't making any statements as much as I was raising some questions. It just seems reasonable that if one party is trying to kick a person's relatives and friends out of this country then they just might not like them enough to vote against them. Just a thought.
    A lot of the legal immigrants I know utterly detest illegals.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    why has party leadership abandoned this issue?

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    what impels immigration reform in arizona is the cartels

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    And "some" Hispanics may not like the fact that certain individuals think each one of them has a relative who is here illegally.
    That's not what I said or what I think.
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