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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Name, address, and SS#.

    Don't you ever watch cop shows?
    Lol, never, they're so boring to me.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Lol, never, they're so boring to me.
    Well if you did you would know this happens all the time. If the people give a fake name and the cops find out, they are immediately arrested.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Congratulations to Arizona for taking an active and positive initiative to the illegal immigration plaguing our nation.

    “Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
    misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
    Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
    enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
    designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
    penalty of -
    (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
    attempted entry); or
    (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
    an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
    this subsection.
    Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
    in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
    Imposed“.

    Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
    Section 8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)
    State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

    The expanded section here.
    Aiding, abetting, harboring, encouraging illegals a felony

    Arizona’s Law basically mirrors Federal Law. To comply with the Federal provision within the above section, “as long as they are authorized to do so by state law“, it became necessary for Arizona to pass a law making it “illegal” to be an “illegal alien” within the State boundaries/borders.

    Arizona has some pre-trained officers through a program with ICE labeled “A Law Enforcement Partnership”, enacted September 30, 1996. Delegation of Immigration Authority Section 287(g) Immigration and Nationality Act………. dealing with the DHS/ICE agreement with states. Partners

    In the absence of a specific federal statute, the validity of an arrest without a warrant for violation of federal law by local peace officers is to be determined by reference to local law. See Miller v. United States, 357 U.S. 301, 305 (1958); United States v. Di Re, 332 U.S. 581, 589 (1948).

    In approving a state trooper's arrest of persons who appeared to be illegal aliens, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit held, simply, as follows: "A state trooper has general investigative authority to inquire into possible immigration violations. "United States v. Salinas-Calderon, 728 F.2d 1298, 1301, n. 3 (10th Cir. 1984).

    People v. Barajas 1978

    United States v. Vasquez-Alvarez 1999

    United States v. Santana-Garcia 2001

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Given that is how day labour is typically hired by indpendant contractors, it sort of makes day labour as typically practiced illegal

    Notice how it does not say anything about illegal immigrants in this section
    All this says is that you cannot stop in the street to pick up labors. Go into the parking lot then.
    Jees what a hassle this must be now, we have to pull off of the actual roadway and onto private property.
    Better call the ACLU, they are trampling our rights.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The difference is that speeding or a bad lane change can't get me brought down to the station and detained. If I get pulled over for speeding in Arizona five minutes from now I could be detained while my citizenship is proven, because my passport is in my desk drawer rather than in my pocket.

    If I get pulled over for speeding in Minnesota, I'm getting a ticket and that's the end of it. Speeding is against the law, but having my passport in my dresser is not. My problem is that in Arizona, I can be detained for something that isn't a crime.
    Is that really so hard to understand, folks?
    It is a crime for legal immigrants to not carry ID.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    It is a crime for legal immigrants to not carry ID.
    But not for citizens - natural or legalized after enduring the immigration process.
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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    what would happen to gringos caught unpapered in tampico?

    no es divertido

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    why has the white house surrendered already on this issue?

    no guts?

    how will hispanics feel about the sell out?

    kinda like gays when it comes to don't ask don't tell?

    a little bit used, a little played?

    not quite so en amor, in love?

    no leadership on this issue, none, coming from dc

    only politics and division

    tragic

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    But not for citizens - natural or legalized after enduring the immigration process.
    When you're driving a car?

    When do you think police officers are going to ask? Bust down doors? Sorry, that's the realm of the Federal Government.

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    Re: Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cholla View Post
    It is a crime for legal immigrants to not carry ID.
    Doesn't this only apply to those on a visa, not those who are citizens?


    Oops- Ditto what Travelsonic said.
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